The system.


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We never break, or attack, with any urgency at home.
We build slowly. Or attempt to.

The oppo is always back by the time we reach half way, so the ball inevitably goes back to the CBs and we start again, from a less favourable position
 
Although I think that people these days go way overboard with claims of managers being 'tactically naive' and all the rest of that phone in bollocks, no way was the way we were set up having gone a goal down the best way to get a result when we were 2-1 down at home to one of the worst teams in the country, who were only looking to defend.

We didn't need three central midfielders, including one purely defensive midfielder. We didn't need the worst centre forward to have played for the club playing on the left wing, running around in circles away from wherever the ball was played because he didn't have a clue what he was doing. Even with the starting line up and subs that were chosen, we could have gone with two attacking full backs (Jones and Larsson), two central midfielders (say Cattermole and Alvarez / Gomez), two proper wingers to stretch them (Buckley and Johnson), Fletcher up front, with Giaccherini playing as a second striker.

It's hardly gung ho, but it would have provided much more attacking threat than what we were left with.

We won't make progress in these sort of matches until Poyet realises that 4-1-4-1 with an isolated striker is very easy to defend against in circumstances like yesterday.
Playing only one midfielder capable putting in a tackle is in my opinion gung ho as you put it. I think the debarkle that ensued 2 cnd half would suggest we will never play alvarez and giach in the same starting 11.
 
Playing only one midfielder capable putting in a tackle is in my opinion gung ho as you put it. I think the debarkle that ensued 2 cnd half would suggest we will never play alvarez and giach in the same starting 11.


Normally I would agree about Alvarez or Giaccherini being one or the other. But we needed to do something different to break them down. Keeping it tight when you're a goal down at home against one of the worst teams in the Division, who are in terrible form, and who are making no effort at all to attack, wasn't the way that we should have gone.

Unfortunately it's the only way Poyet knows, and looking ahead to the fixtures for the rest of the season (very few points away from home and lots of bottom half opposition at home) it could cost us - and him - very dearly.
 
We never break, or attack, with any urgency at home.
We build slowly. Or attempt to.

The oppo is always back by the time we reach half way, so the ball inevitably goes back to the CBs and we start again, from a less favourable position
Which is fine if you get players like Johnson and alverez on the ball plus a midfielder who can also take it past people.
 
Its not about the system its about the quality of players, Chelsea play the same system but have better players going forward therefore they look more dangerous

And has taken over 750 million over the last 14 year to assemble. Realistic. Nothing wrong with the system, as long as its made more flexible. We have quality players to be able to deal with hull but it was the lack of attacking mentality and flexibility of poyets formation that hindered us.
I began a possession based team, we lost ki and have since become somewhat of a mismatch club not sure where our strengths are. A midfielder used to come back and bring the ball out as we dont have the defenders to do that. The system was so f*cked yesterday this was not happening and it was left to possibly two of the worst passers in the league of oshea and coates to pick passes and start moves off. Ended up being aimless long balls for the last 30 minutes. Why was this not addressed and changed?
 
We never break, or attack, with any urgency at home.
We build slowly. Or attempt to.

The oppo is always back by the time we reach half way, so the ball inevitably goes back to the CBs and we start again, from a less favourable position
Said to me dad yesterday at the game, first time we attacked in numbers, they went up the other end and scored. We were better off soaking up the shite they had to offer and just picking them off.
 
Why will Poyet not change it? Regardless of opposition of situation?

It's a strange one for me. Hull were lacking everything today. We have them the opportunity for a foothold in the came. Slow, predicable and boring.
He has no plan B - do you not read the SMB?
 
It was a genuinely embarrassing result and performance. We let the likes of Stephen Quinn and Liam Rosenior take the piss and get 3 easy points. Worrying :neutral::oops:
 
I'm struggling as to why we sit on the edge of our own box against hull at home ,we must be the only team who do this every game? away from home and play on the counter I understand but the games at home against hull and teams around us we should be pressing high up the pitch
 
I'm quite happy with some of our players, the likes of Catts, Vergini, O'Shea and Johnson should form the spine of our team.
The rest can go like, I'm not too bothered.

Really? Vergini? You'd rely on him? Personally I think he's desperate. Unable to pass a ball more than 5 yards, lost his man yet again yesterday on the corner, famous for scoring the most embarrassing own goal in memory, and week in, week out our weak link in defence.

I think he's totally unsuited to the game in this country - maybe he would be ok in Argentina playing on the right of a three man defence, but as we don't worry about playing to our players' strengths, playing him as a right back or centre back is leaving him way out of his depth IMO. Not strong enough in defence to be a centre back, not good enough on the ball to be a full back. And the occasional dribble past a left winger doesn't really change that IMO.
 
I'm struggling as to why we sit on the edge of our own box against hull at home ,we must be the only team who do this every game? away from home and play on the counter I understand but the games at home against hull and teams around us we should be pressing high up the pitch
The defence and Cattermole are too slow
 
And has taken over 750 million over the last 14 year to assemble. Realistic. Nothing wrong with the system, as long as its made more flexible. We have quality players to be able to deal with hull but it was the lack of attacking mentality and flexibility of poyets formation that hindered us.
I began a possession based team, we lost ki and have since become somewhat of a mismatch club not sure where our strengths are. A midfielder used to come back and bring the ball out as we dont have the defenders to do that. The system was so f*cked yesterday this was not happening and it was left to possibly two of the worst passers in the league of oshea and coates to pick passes and start moves off. Ended up being aimless long balls for the last 30 minutes. Why was this not addressed and changed?
Because we haven't got the players to change it, we are going to lose games, we are a average prem side, we will win games as in mags last wk, and will lose and draw plenty, every time we get beat (which hasn't been that many times) people jump straight on poyets back about his tactics, we will lose games, it was just a shite performance
 
Because we haven't got the players to change it, we are going to lose games, we are a average prem side, we will win games as in mags last wk, and will lose and draw plenty, every time we get beat (which hasn't been that many times) people jump straight on poyets back about his tactics, we will lose games, it was just a shite performance


All of which is true. But it doesn't get away from the fact that he got it wrong yesterday. Too many players are being shoehorned into a system which has limitations anyway, and although the system we play is probably a big reason why we do well against the top sides, the inflexibility to change it is a key reason why we do so poorly in games like yesterday.

We sign a strong defensive midfielder for £10m, who has scored 6 goals in his life, then wonder why he isn't playing like Frank Lampard to fit 'the system'.

We take a player with the perfect style and build to play as a centre forward, then play him on the left wing to fit 'the system' because we couldn't sign the player we really wanted.

We bring an Argentinian international from Inter Milan, whose game is all about creativity, then ask him to play as part full back, part winger, and part striker, to fit 'the system'.

We ask our best striker, whose natural game is all about playing deep and wide, preferably off another striker, to play as a lone striker up front, to fit 'the system'.

We sign an Italian international from Juventus, whose game is all about making forward runs, and can't find a way to use him because he doesn't fit 'the system'.

It's good to have a plan - but yesterday was the worst example I've seen of putting a bloody system, that isn't designed to win home games against poor sides, ahead of what was needed to get the three points.
 
Alvarez n giacc have been injured most of the season so we have no idea where they fit in the system because they have hardly played. As for rodwell he was nothing like defensive midfielder when he played for Everton, he picked up the ball and drove forward
 
Why will Poyet not change it? Regardless of opposition of situation?

It's a strange one for me. Hull were lacking everything today. We have them the opportunity for a foothold in the came. Slow, predicable and boring.

Don't often agree with you all the time but you are spot on here, I like Gus but his main weakness is he is too stubborn

We struggled in these games at home last season, it's why I am still worried about this season, it's ok having all these home Games but we struggle to win them

Hull were there for the taking, truly awful line up and they absolutely battered us. People can moan about hand balls but the best team won

If we had gone for the jugular after our first goal we would of won

Very frustrating
 
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