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As I've said many times I'm happy to endorse that type of system as long as its all inclusive, ie includes players already under contract and doesn't just look at those out of contract. I want players like Ollie Watkins and Ivan Toney identifying and backed up with a system that's prepared to get clubs to sell those players.

It will include contracted players but ultimately there will have to be some decisons made on budget and where we need to go with frees. If we need 15 players in over the summer we aren't going to be spending fees on them all and values, budget, wages etc are still going to influence final decisons but I'd like to hope thst with data they will be more researched than just seeing whos left on deadline day and signing anyone although I expext this will still happen to a degree.
 
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Speakman knows little about recruitment. However he is part of the process.
He will do though. Its been stated categorically that he has the final say on any player recruitment.
That can be taken in a few different ways. The manager/coach will only get the final say on a very select list presented to him.

By the time it gets to LJ the recruitment team will already be entirely happy with whichever one he chooses.
 
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It will include contracted players but ultimately there will have to be some decisons made on budget and where we need to go with frees. If we need 15 players in over the summer we aren't going to be spending fees on them all and values, budget, wages etc are still going to influence final decisons but I'd like to hope thst with data they will be more researched than just seeing whos left on deadline day and signing anyone although I expext this will still happen to a degree.
Think ya last bit is true and i think they are likely to be players from higher up hoping to stay in the champo.We can in the meantime get on with the massive build.140 champo players are out of contract.Also players at our level 09 types etc
 
It will include contracted players but ultimately there will have to be some decisons made on budget and where we need to go with frees. If we need 15 players in over the summer we aren't going to be spending fees on them all and values, budget, wages etc are still going to influence final decisons but I'd like to hope thst with data they will be more researched than just seeing whos left on deadline day and signing anyone although I expext this will still happen to a degree.

I reckon personally that the better players will generally be under contract (Yates for example) although not exclusively. I don't mind a handful of the best freebies but I think it will be misguided to think we can assemble a winning team entirely from free transfers and loans.
 
Fair enough mate, I've said it. Been a busy thread and I'm replying to lots of people so may not have been entirely clear. My understanding has always been that the recruitment team identify the player and Johnson says yes or no. Obviously there will be backups so essentially a list although as you say its not a list Johnson looks at in its entirety and picks who he likes. 👍


Fully agree and that's my main issue with Johnson..... Is he a good enough coach as he won't be the one identifying the players.

No idea tbh. At Bristol he seems to have a decent record of selling players for higher fees but not sure who there is doing the recruitment or how much influence he had on their development.

He's caused some of his own problems this season (he massively fucked me off after the first leg in particular) but has also seen his whole back 4 decimated (which I refuse to believe wouldn't have affected anyone else) and has taken over a squad hand picked by Parkinson to play a different style (although I don't think we play too much different anyway).

There's a constant comparison to Parkinsons PPG but Parkinson barely had any injuries, had been working with the majority of the squad for a year and had spent a summer working on bring in the players for his style of play. Despite that Parkinson managed to win four games against 11 men this season and two of those were won by a penalty and an OG. Then if you take into considerarion players were coming in off the back of a 50 game season playing twice a week with all the injuries we had stopping any chance of rotation (although we could/should have played youngsters) then it was always going to be difficult to maintain. 1 in 10 os abysmal though regardless.

For me, on Johnsons future, a lot depends on mood in camp. I think we have mentally weak players but I'm not sure what their relationship with Johnson is like. I've not seen and signs of the morale we had at the cup final and can't remember the last time I heard a player praise him. If that's because of LJ then there's a problem.
 
I reckon personally that the better players will generally be under contract (Yates for example) although not exclusively. I don't mind a handful of the best freebies but I think it will be misguided to think we can assemble a winning team entirely from free transfers and loans.
exactly right . bedding so many new players is a huge disadvantage
 
I agree with you on multiple things.

Graham, Fraser and Yates would be a PERFECT first 3 signings.

as you said - we have to be adaptable - we have to have a plan B. I’d love to see us sit in tight and play counter attack when necessary.
Blsckpool have been based on solidity then counter attacking . Straight out of Liverpool u23 academy, style wise.
They’ve stumbled on Critchley as a way forwards after missing their initial managerial targets, of which one was Karl Robinson.
Pools bench looks like it can step onto the pitch and know exactly what the role is.
Like you say , tight and economical at the back but always looking to play our way out would be great to see.
 
Speakman knows little about recruitment. However he is part of the process.

That can be taken in a few different ways. The manager/coach will only get the final say on a very select list presented to him.

By the time it gets to LJ the recruitment team will already be entirely happy with whichever one he chooses.

Speakman has responsibility for all football operations. So the system comes from him, with recruitment handled by Harvey, data from the analysts, Dickman running the academy. Johnson the first team, and Reay the lasses. If it works they'll all be pulling in the same direction.
 
Depends really. On the face of it yes but then Blackpool signed 22 this season and released 30 yet they look like a "team". I think regular churn is a feature of this league due to the sheer amount of short term contracts.

I said beginning of this season that promotion from this league just seems to hinge on who is out of contract and when. Every season teams just bring in umpteen players until one year they just get lucky enough that that years intake just clicks and they go up.
 
I’d personally say we’ll be looking to near enough half the wage bill. The net benefit of replacing McGeady, Wyke, Grigg and Leadbitter alone will be probably in the region of 1.5 mill a year.

How we going to replace Grigg, eh?

And Charlie Wyke won't be on big bucks. He'll be asking for it now, maybe, but not currently.
 
How we going to replace Grigg, eh?

And Charlie Wyke won't be on big bucks. He'll be asking for it now, maybe, but not currently.
How will we replace Grigg? You’re joking right? Replace his three goals a season? Pretty easily I’d imagine. As for Wyke, depends what you mean by big bucks. He won’t be on 2k a week, I’ll tell you that.
 
absolutely wonderful,need a computer to tell you if said bloke can play football

Fuck sake.
How will we replace Grigg? You’re joking right? Replace his three goals a season? Pretty easily I’d imagine. As for Wyke, depends what you mean by big bucks. He won’t be on 2k a week, I’ll tell you that.

I mean, how the fuck will we get anyone to buy him without subsiding his wages, like we did this year, obviously. He's still in f***ing contract. As of July, he'll be back at the Academy of Light, stinking out pre-season. Same with Dobson, though I think we may be able to shift him.
 
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Fuck sake.


I mean, how the fuck will we get anyone to buy him without subsiding his wages, like we did this year, obviously. He's still in f***ing contract. As of July, he'll be back at the Academy of Light, stinking out pre-season. Same with Dobson, though I think we may be able to shift him.
I think with Grigg bagging a few goals for MK Dons, someone would be willing to have him if we waived a fee. I think he wants to go too, play hardball and he’ll do one.
 
Winchester was nothing to do with it. Embleton or Maguire had to go out to make room for Stewart. Maguire wouldn't play ball.
So if we hadnt bought Winchester we could have kept Embleton and Maguire then? Winchester has offered nothing imho. Dan Neil could have been given a chance.

Embleton has just helped Blackpool get to the play off final and Maguire has been shuned like PP did with McGeady. Maguire would have offered a lot more than O'Brien if he had played refularly.

Johnson has made some tremendous errors but people still defend him.
 
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So if we hadnt bought Winchester we could have kept Embleton and Maguire then? Winchester has offered nothing imho. Dan Neil could have been given a chance.

Embleton has just helped Blackpool get to the play off final and Maguire has been shuned like PP did with McGeady. Maguire would have offered a lot more than O'Brien if he had played refularly.

Johnson has made some tremendous errors but people still defend him.

No incomings forced Embleton out. We brought in 3 senior players and peddled 3 senior players plus Embleton.

It seems we didn't think Embleton would het a game here so loaned him out to a mid table side (at the time) who he helped transform.

LJ murkied the waters by saying he prefers Embleton to Maguire but Maguire refused to leave so Embleton got loaned out instead but it sounded like a load of bollocks to me. More likely Embleton didn't fit this no 10/striker role he's been obsessed with until last few games.
 
No incomings forced Embleton out. We brought in 3 senior players and peddled 3 senior players plus Embleton.

It seems we didn't think Embleton would het a game here so loaned him out to a mid table side (at the time) who he helped transform.

LJ murkied the waters by saying he prefers Embleton to Maguire but Maguire refused to leave so Embleton got loaned out instead but it sounded like a load of bollocks to me. More likely Embleton didn't fit this no 10/striker role he's been obsessed with until last few games.
Its a mess anyway you look at it.

We brought in players that were worse than we had in Vokins and Winchester (only SAFC could manage that given our LB and central midfield personel) and we let one of our own kids go out on loan who is then intregal in getting his club likely promoted whilst we played O'Brien who offered the square root of absolutely nothing.

Whoever sanctioned this at the Club should be looking for a new job in my opinion.
 
I think with Grigg bagging a few goals for MK Dons, someone would be willing to have him if we waived a fee. I think he wants to go too, play hardball and he’ll do one.
Not if we're paying him silly wages, which we will be.
Its a mess anyway you look at it.

We brought in players that were worse than we had in Vokins and Winchester (only SAFC could manage that given our LB and central midfield personel) and we let one of our own kids go out on loan who is then intregal in getting his club likely promoted whilst we played O'Brien who offered the square root of absolutely nothing.

Whoever sanctioned this at the Club should be looking for a new job in my opinion.

I don't think Winchester was worse than what we have. He's a better player than Power, I suspect he's better than O'Nein, in some departments (not passing) he's better than Leadbitter and he's more consistent than Scowen too.

Ofc, they're all shite, but that's a different argument.
 
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Not if we're paying him silly wages, which we will be.


I don't think Winchester was worse than what we have. He's a better player than Power, I suspect he's better than O'Nein, in some departments (not passing) he's better than Leadbitter and he's more consistent than Scowen too.

Ofc, they're all shite, but that's a different argument.
Fair enough :) however being a little bit better than Power is hardly an endorsement.
 
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