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Im far from up to date on their financial standing or whose contract is up in the summer but I thought they had a lot of financial issues to the extent they aren't paying their players?

I know they're a basket case with contracts so if some of their high earners stay on then perhaps we won't be highest. If they are able to get rid of them, I can't see them replacing like for like.

Hull for example when coming down kept the majority of their players from the championship, added very well and still had less wage budget.

Looking at their 2019 accounts (they haven't filed 2020 yet), after allowing for the reduction in media income, they'll have a cap based on around £15m income. Making a suitable allowance pay of admin staff, I'd put player wages at around £22m. They've got far bigger problems meeting the cap than we will, even with the extra allowance. The only thing they have going for them is that all their debt seems to be intragroup.
 
hull cut theirwage bill when they came down here.

sorry your completely roght..i meant to say, whose going to buy grigg
I think an ambitious league one club or lower championship club will get him. I’d see us being quite flexible on the price, we don’t want him, he has high relative wages and one year left on his contract. He’d probably go on a free I imagine or a very nominal sum.
 
True. But SAFC didn't use it at all during the Donald era. It was all contacts, buffets and recruitment days. And as a result we overpaid for an under-quality squad. Even then we got close to a promotion run in all three seasons. Doing the 'right' things is more likely to produce more of the right outcomes. That's basically all that is being said here. And a SAFC in League One that is getting more right than wrong on the recruitment front is a real contender for automatic promotion.

I'm not convinced that data necessarily equals success in this league. The Blackpool team which beat us twice and are favourites to go up were in a worse position than us preseason. They signed 22 players this season and let another 30 leave plus they installed a new manager right at the back end of the previous season. Do they look like a team that's had such major upheaval?
 
There was a list of all L1 players out of contract. When I’ve seen Graham of Gillingham, he appears to have it is own way in the final third. A forceful player who can score, has pace and strength.

Gills fans believe he is destined for the Championship. This is the kind of player we need . Fraser at MK Dons must have his price . Yates at Blackpool is on £1500 a week.

Blackpool have high pressed against lesser sides and sat in to play on the counter vs the likes of us. We have to be adaptable too.
 
Would Hull have fallen foul of the 60% salaries to turnover though if they hadn't been exempted like we were first season down here. Its a sizeable advantage which we squandered, along with two parachute payments which the owner trousered.


Cracking young player imo and the EXACT type we should be going for.......potential to play in the top league I reckon.

Im not sure given covid has turned everything on its bum.

What I can say is they constructed a squad that provided decent value and would have had no problem getting money for a couple of players.

It's kind of what my prefernce of "analytics" and data is central to, it's about creating value as opposed to what folk like. No more 16k McGeady & Leadbetter, more 4k a week Docherty and Smallwood's not to mention the youth coming through.
 
I'm not convinced that data necessarily equals success in this league. The Blackpool team which beat us twice and are favourites to go up were in a worse position than us preseason. They signed 22 players this season and let another 30 leave plus they installed a new manager right at the back end of the previous season. Do they look like a team that's had such major upheaval?
The Blackpool team had one significant competitive advantage last season - lots of space under the cap. They also took advantage of that in their execution - front loading a number of key players who as such only counted at league average. I don't know how much data came into their process but if we're talking about finding ways to take advantage, you're right that there is more than one way to skin a cat. The best way is lots of cap space and a method of maximising that. I don't know if SAFC can get to that point, though.
 
Those who think the club are changing how they do things and those that think LJ deserves more time seem to be basing their suppositions on starting next season with a high press, younger and more athletic team with pace and energy. I don't think any fan would disagree with this aim but just how realistic is it?

From the snippets we've been fed there's a suggestion that the wage budget will be lower. There was also the statement by Johnson that there are players the club want to retain but can't afford to. If most clubs are using the data driven approach why would we get better results than them looking at the same data. In my opinion next season will see L1 stronger than any of our seasons down here. I'd expect Sheff Wed to mount a strong promotion push, Rotherham seem to be too good for L1 but not quite good enough for the Championship. Throw in Pompey, Ipswich, Charlton and the loser of the play off final and the top two places may take some achieving.

Question for those not as sceptical as I am but what makes you convinced that we can put a league winning team together from scratch with a reduced wage budget.
This post is far too rational for the Pure Football forum.

As you rightly say, using data to identify potential recruits is hardly top secret. You would expect relegated teams to have better players if they manage to hang on to them. Four seasons in this league mean we have long since lost that advantage. Teams that have a good core and add a few more in their weaker areas you would think would be well placed. Finally, teams with a good manager will have an advantage.

As we no longer have a core to build around, have a manager that has achieved zero league success, and a billionaire owner who apparently has to keep his hands in his pockets, I see no particular reason that next season will be more successful than the previous three.

We live in hope though.
 
There was a list of all L1 players out of contract. When I’ve seen Graham of Gillingham, he appears to have it is own way in the final third. A forceful player who can score, has pace and strength.

Gills fans believe he is destined for the Championship. This is the kind of player we need . Fraser at MK Dons must have his price . Yates at Blackpool is on £1500 a week.

Blackpool have high pressed against lesser sides and sat in to play on the counter vs the likes of us. We have to be adaptable too.
Exactly this. Whether some of these players are technically as good as someone like McGeady or will ever play at the level of the game he has is another story. But we can get players who fit what we need and how we want to play for 15% or so of the wage McGeady is probably on. You could cover maybes 6 players wages from what McGeady is on.
 
Those who think the club are changing how they do things and those that think LJ deserves more time seem to be basing their suppositions on starting next season with a high press, younger and more athletic team with pace and energy. I don't think any fan would disagree with this aim but just how realistic is it?

From the snippets we've been fed there's a suggestion that the wage budget will be lower. There was also the statement by Johnson that there are players the club want to retain but can't afford to. If most clubs are using the data driven approach why would we get better results than them looking at the same data. In my opinion next season will see L1 stronger than any of our seasons down here. I'd expect Sheff Wed to mount a strong promotion push, Rotherham seem to be too good for L1 but not quite good enough for the Championship. Throw in Pompey, Ipswich, Charlton and the loser of the play off final and the top two places may take some achieving.

Question for those not as sceptical as I am but what makes you convinced that we can put a league winning team together from scratch with a reduced wage budget.
We sent Embleton out on loan, who has has been hugely influential in getting his team to the play off final, to free up a squad place for Johnson's Carl Winchester. Aiden 'OBrien gets a game ahead of Embleton.

Apologies if Im a little skeptical of Johnson and our recruitment process.
 
Those who think the club are changing how they do things and those that think LJ deserves more time seem to be basing their suppositions on starting next season with a high press, younger and more athletic team with pace and energy. I don't think any fan would disagree with this aim but just how realistic is it?

From the snippets we've been fed there's a suggestion that the wage budget will be lower. There was also the statement by Johnson that there are players the club want to retain but can't afford to. If most clubs are using the data driven approach why would we get better results than them looking at the same data. In my opinion next season will see L1 stronger than any of our seasons down here. I'd expect Sheff Wed to mount a strong promotion push, Rotherham seem to be too good for L1 but not quite good enough for the Championship. Throw in Pompey, Ipswich, Charlton and the loser of the play off final and the top two places may take some achieving.

Question for those not as sceptical as I am but what makes you convinced that we can put a league winning team together from scratch with a reduced wage budget.
Our first requirement is not pace or power, it's 'are they free'
 
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