The squad is not weaker!


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I’m not saying the first 4 are good but none of the second bunch of 4 are close to remotely proven at thus level

There’s an argument to say Evans is but we’ve got to keep him fit enough to get on the pitch first.
Well Evans has played most of his career at a higher level.
Embleton played in a promotion winning team last season.
Stewart is clearly a better option than Grigg.
I'll give you Dan Neil.
 
If they sign 2 fullbacks this week who are better than Power at RB and McFadzean at LB we will be considerably stronger imo.
Add a striker like Jebbison and a decent CB I’d be confident of winning promotion.

as in the thread title each word makes a difference

we ARE stronger
we MAYBE stronger (if….)
we WILL BE stronger (if…)
we can only judge by what we have at time of discussion

neither of those are correct
 
Not sure what people think sometimes, we need full backs, and a striker, but the starting 11 and style of play is so much better, without anymore additions

Can you confidently say that the likely starting XI from our current squad is ‘so much better’ than the one that started away to Peterborough for example though?

Burge
Power
McFadzean
Leadbitter
Sanderson
O’Nien
Jones
Winchester
Wyke
Stewart
McGeady
 
Well Evans has played most of his career at a higher level.
Embleton played in a promotion winning team last season.
Stewart is clearly a better option than Grigg.
I'll give you Dan Neil.
Evans is injury prone and has averaged 20 appearances a season for the last 4 seasons.

Not really bothered what embleton did last season. David May has a champions league winners medal ffs. How many goals and assists did Embleton get?

Stewart may be better than Grigg but he’s not proven at this level and has a worse record. Grigg while on loan outperformed both Stewart and Wyke IIrC
 
Tin hat on but. . . .

We look a much better side already this season. The plan was always going to be look for better players who need a fresh start, e.g. Prichard, Evans. I know we haven’t seen Prichard but Evans looked brilliant last night. My man of the match in the 1st half.

However, more importantly, we were always going to promote heavily from the U23’s and look for quality loans/ buys from premier league u23 sides.

These types of players will always come later in the window after they’ve been assessed by their current clubs. This will also always be done later in a summer with a big competition like the euros.

we already look like we are a much quicker and better passing side who can control the middle of the park.

I think the predictions of 10th to 5th are way off the mark even if we start the season with the players we have and we are only a couple of good fullbacks away from being a really class (at this level) side.

Totally disagree. Yes we look stronger, younger and faster in certain positions and good to see some of the young lads holding their own in pre season.

But we have no fullbacks at the club and a shocking lack of depth in a few areas. Which in this league with 2 games a week average - is just suicide.

The lack of and slow business from the club has been really worrying. First game next week and no fullbacks. I thought we were past this kinda rubbish tbh.
 
as in the thread title each word makes a difference

we ARE stronger
we MAYBE stronger (if….)
we WILL BE stronger (if…)
we can only judge by what we have at time of discussion

neither of those are correct


Not sure what you are chunterring on about to be honest

our starting 11 is better, we will be a stronger squad at the end of the transfer window, you keep whinging if it keeps you happy marra
 
Thankfully it remains open and we must utilise it because as things stand the current squad is weaker than the one that finished last season. Some seemingly disagree with that which I can’t fathom.
We will. Club will know that as much as us.

But we still looking well in friendly games. I know that's what they are but you can see how fit we are and the flowing football we are trying.
 
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We’re not talking about opening day starting line ups - the thread is about squads and we are weaker. Fact

We have one senior keeper.

We don’t have a single full back on the books.

Our best defender was replaced with a very promising lad who hasn’t played a single senior game.

We let players go who contributed 70+ goals last season and have only brought in one attacking player - a midfielder

We let a 30 goal striker leave and have Will Grigg as his replacement in the squad

Our marquee signing is an injury prone journeyman

I’m not full of gloom - a few signings and we’ll piss this league.

But it is an undeniable fact that, as it stands, the squad is weaker now than last season
Right, so, what point are you wanting to make the comparison, then. It seems to me that if we're wanting to make comparisons, where we were, this time last year, seems appropriate. Are you wanting to compare against the last game of the season?

Here's our team for the last game of last season:

Burge
Gooch Wright O9 McFadz
Maguire Scowen Leadbitter McGeady
Stewart Wyke

Gooch at RB? McFadz at LB? O9 at CB? A CM 2 of Scowen and Leadbitter?

You can't wander round the whole of last season picking scenarios that didn't happen to paint a rose tinted view of then, thus portraying now through shit tinted glasses.

I've given examples of the start and the end of last season as benchmarks to show we were weaker. Where, along the timeline of last season, do you want to compare to show we erre stronger?
 
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Right, so, what point are you wanting to make the comparison, then. It seems to me that if we're wanting to make comparisons, where we were, this time last year, seems appropriate. Are you wanting to compare against the last game of the season?

Here's our team for the last game of last season:

Burge
Gooch Wright O9 McFadz
Maguire Scowen Leadbitter McGeady
Stewart Wyke

Gooch at RB? McFadz at LB? O9 at CB? A CM 2 of Scowen and Leadbitter?

You can't wander round the whole of last season picking scenarios that didn't happen to paint a rose tinted view of then, thus portraying now through shit tinted glasses.


I've given examples of the start and the end of lastseason as benchmarks to show we were weaker. Where, along the timeline of last season, do you want to compare to show we are weaker?

Of course it’s not appropriate to compare squad strength with this time last year and you know that. We finished the season with a very different squad to the one that kicked off the season. Is the squad stronger now than the one that finished the last season.

You’re using starting XIs from last season that take into consideration injury and availability and comparing it to squad strength now without injury or availability.

Let’s do a potential starting XI with Doyle, Evans and Stewart unavailable for the sake of fairness considering you’ve chosen line ups that didn’t include players like Sanderson, Hume and McLaughlan from last seasons squad.
 
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Can you confidently say that the likely starting XI from our current squad is ‘so much better’ than the one that started away to Peterborough for example though?

Burge
Power
McFadzean
Leadbitter
Sanderson
O’Nien
Jones
Winchester
Wyke
Stewart
McGeady
Yes.
Power / Sanderson / O9 / McFadz is not a strong back four. Winchester / Doyle / Flanagan / Neil looks stronger.
Winchester / Leadbitter is not a strong CM. Evans / O9 looks better.
Stewart / Embleton looks much more mobile and much more worrying to defences attack than Stewart / Wyke.
Jones is the only player, from that team who is missing, but would get into the current team.
 
Right, so, what point are you wanting to make the comparison, then. It seems to me that if we're wanting to make comparisons, where we were, this time last year, seems appropriate. Are you wanting to compare against the last game of the season?

Here's our team for the last game of last season:

Burge
Gooch Wright O9 McFadz
Maguire Scowen Leadbitter McGeady
Stewart Wyke

Gooch at RB? McFadz at LB? O9 at CB? A CM 2 of Scowen and Leadbitter?

You can't wander round the whole of last season picking scenarios that didn't happen to paint a rose tinted view of then, thus portraying now through shit tinted glasses.

I've given examples of the start and the end of last season as benchmarks to show we were weaker. Where, along the timeline of last season, do you want to compare to show we erre stronger?
Why are you just selecting random games :lol:
 
Yes.
Power / Sanderson / O9 / McFadz is not a strong back four. Winchester / Doyle / Flanagan / Neil looks stronger.
Winchester / Leadbitter is not a strong CM. Evans / O9 looks better.
Stewart / Embleton looks much more mobile and much more worrying to defences attack than Stewart / Wyke.
Jones is the only player, from that team who is missing, but would get into the current team.
Fuck me :lol:
 
Not sure what you are chunterring on about to be honest

our starting 11 is better, we will be a stronger squad at the end of the transfer window, you keep whinging if it keeps you happy marra

I hope so, I really do. I would have felt alot more comfortable going into the season if business was done. Usually bringing players in towards the end of the transfer window is panic buying. You end up with a player you never wanted but had no choice because there is no time Left
 
I'm reasonably optimistic. We are 3 or 4 quality signings away from having a promotion winning team. It's been a pleasure to watch a Sunderland team which has pace and attacking intent. Any team without Wyke and Mcfadzean is automatically better in my opinion. I'd hoped we'd get a better goalkeeper, Burge gives me and I'm sure the defence the heebie jeebies.
 
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