The sacking Of Paulo Di Canio. Sunderland Football Clubs Crucible Moment


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di canio picked old guard players, stop trying to rewrite history.
of course it wasnt anymore meaningful or productive, it was marginally tidier football without any kind of end product going forward and the manner in which we pressed left us open and the formation left us short in key areas. it was flawed in several areas, its bullshit suggesting theres been a radical downturn since.
saturday was little different from most games this season. good first half, tired and fell away in the second half. youre also suggesting pdc would have got it right given time, yet your giving criticsm for satirdays performance when its the managers first game. a manager who has a good record of setting up sides to play good football, with. strong defence at a higher level than di canio and without the mass turmover of players constsntly courting controversy.
Only because he didn't get the players he asked for, Di Fanny fucked PDC over big style there, I remember an interview where Di Canio said if I can't get the players I asked for them get me something similar, (remember that ? ) but he got lumbered with shite instead.
 
I can see to an extent why some defend him on here in terms of him being undermined by the board and wanting to change the mentality around the place, but what ability did he actually show as a manager?

From the Everton win last season onwards it was one shambles after another. Incredible how some on here hold him almost blameless for that.

He had the shit left over from MoN to work with. When he came in they played for him and we done well. Soon as they didn't like actually having to work off the pitch and being told when they made errors they didn't perform again.

He had one window, where players were bought for him, to try and ship out the shit and bring in players capable of playing. He couldn't get rid of half of the shit which are one BIG part of this whole mess we are in, and the lot who got him the sack. He was still working with a backbone of the team that are the problem. These players are why we are in the shit and have been for years.

Yes PDC had a bit lunacy about him with some of his rules. But that's how he wanted the club run. Who gives a fuck if players are not to speak to staff on matchdays? Who gives a fuck about Ketchup. Why do they want to spend training on mobile phones? Why are they bunking off training sessions? Why after a defeat are they complaining about having to come into training the next day to work on what went wrong? Why can't they spend an hour signing stuff which are part of their duties?

And I'm sick of everyone bleating on about how it was all about PDC. The only reason it was all about PDC is because fans and the media made it all about him. He done no more than any other manager does with interviews and after match stuff.

He wanted this club to succeed and was stabbed in the back from the players and impatient fans. The one manager we have had in all of this mess that would actually run through a brick wall for us (tho he would just get slagged for doing that as it would be all about him..).
 
He had the shit left over from MoN to work with. When he came in they played for him and we done well. Soon as they didn't like actually having to work off the pitch and being told when they made errors they didn't perform again.

He had one window, where players were bought for him, to try and ship out the shit and bring in players capable of playing. He couldn't get rid of half of the shit which are one BIG part of this whole mess we are in, and the lot who got him the sack. He was still working with a backbone of the team that are the problem. These players are why we are in the shit and have been for years.

Yes PDC had a bit lunacy about him with some of his rules. But that's how he wanted the club run. Who gives a fuck if players are not to speak to staff on matchdays? Who gives a fuck about Ketchup. Why do they want to spend training on mobile phones? Why are they bunking off training sessions? Why after a defeat are they complaining about having to come into training the next day to work on what went wrong? Why can't they spend an hour signing stuff which are part of their duties?

And I'm sick of everyone bleating on about how it was all about PDC. The only reason it was all about PDC is because fans and the media made it all about him. He done no more than any other manager does with interviews and after match stuff.

He wanted this club to succeed and was stabbed in the back from the players and impatient fans. The one manager we have had in all of this mess that would actually run through a brick wall for us (tho he would just get slagged for doing that as it would be all about him..).


Half the brick walls he was running through he was building himself.
 
He had the shit left over from MoN to work with. When he came in they played for him and we done well. Soon as they didn't like actually having to work off the pitch and being told when they made errors they didn't perform again.

He had one window, where players were bought for him, to try and ship out the shit and bring in players capable of playing. He couldn't get rid of half of the shit which are one BIG part of this whole mess we are in, and the lot who got him the sack. He was still working with a backbone of the team that are the problem. These players are why we are in the shit and have been for years.

Yes PDC had a bit lunacy about him with some of his rules. But that's how he wanted the club run. Who gives a fuck if players are not to speak to staff on matchdays? Who gives a fuck about Ketchup. Why do they want to spend training on mobile phones? Why are they bunking off training sessions? Why after a defeat are they complaining about having to come into training the next day to work on what went wrong? Why can't they spend an hour signing stuff which are part of their duties?

And I'm sick of everyone bleating on about how it was all about PDC. The only reason it was all about PDC is because fans and the media made it all about him. He done no more than any other manager does with interviews and after match stuff.

He wanted this club to succeed and was stabbed in the back from the players and impatient fans. The one manager we have had in all of this mess that would actually run through a brick wall for us (tho he would just get slagged for doing that as it would be all about him..).

Agree with a lot of what you say about what he came in and inherited and the rules he put in place, the club was quite clearly a shambles when he came in although some of the pro O'Neill brigade on here seem to have convinced themselves otherwise and it is beyond doubt that he wasn't supported by the board when it came to what he wanted in the transfer market, such as wanting Huddlestone and stressing the need for 2 quality replacements if we sold Sessegnon only for us to as spectacularly fuck up the recruitment as badly as I can remember us doing.

However that being said he certainly didn't help his cause. His constant 'look-at-me' antics such as the knee-sliding, those on-pitch celebrations after the Everton game, that press conference after Spurs, the constant public blaming of the players, that little performance after the West Brom game, the bloke has been on an ego trip his entire career. Just as the players quite clearly don't accept responsibility for their failings, neither did he for his dreadful tactics and team selections.
 
Only because he didn't get the players he asked for, Di Fanny fucked PDC over big style there, I remember an interview where Di Canio said if I can't get the players I asked for them get me something similar, (remember that ? ) but he got lumbered with shite instead.

He made o'shea captain.
He picked Gardner in the centre over cabral.
Didn't he drop roberge after one game?

If youre willing to criticize the likes of ball or poyet for playing what's available when they will have had no input on who or what remains here, then you can hardly stick up for a man who will have had some impact on who or what he wants here and then picked the same old failures.[DOUBLEPOST=1382439357][/DOUBLEPOST]
Agree with a lot of what you say about what he came in and inherited and the rules he put in place, the club was quite clearly a shambles when he came in although some of the pro O'Neill brigade on here seem to have convinced themselves otherwise and it is beyond doubt that he wasn't supported by the board when it came to what he wanted in the transfer market, such as wanting Huddlestone and stressing the need for 2 quality replacements if we sold Sessegnon only for us to as spectacularly fuck up the recruitment as badly as I can remember us doing.

However that being said he certainly didn't help his cause. His constant 'look-at-me' antics such as the knee-sliding, those on-pitch celebrations after the Everton game, that press conference after Spurs, the constant public blaming of the players, that little performance after the West Brom game, the bloke has been on an ego trip his entire career. Just as the players quite clearly don't accept responsibility for their failings, neither did he for his dreadful tactics and team selections.

Yep just because we have a set of players whom aren't up to it and many of whom are confidence, direction, ability and guts it doesn't mean thst some lunatic who meets everything head on and is unable tomeet some of the demands jhe makes of the players himself is the answer.
 
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its bullshit suggesting theres been a radical downturn since.
Wow wake up and smell the coffee!
youre also suggesting pdc would have got it right given time,
No I'm telling he old have got it right.

yet your giving criticsm for satirdays performance when its the managers first game.
Yes I most defo am but criticism is for the players. However it is still very worrying that the players can play like that for a new manager, no new manager bounce, perhaps points to less than 100% repect or regard for him.
Is he strong enough, shrewd enough? don't know but I do know Paolo was.
 
For once we had hope.

For once we had a real revolution.

For once the club was vibrant.

For once we were at the centre of the football worlds attention.

For once we had real passion.

But now it's gone.

This won't be a one year Championship jaunt that we are facing now.

It will be the dawning of a new era of nothingness.

We deserve it for not standing by him.

The club, the players and a lot of the fans did this without even thinking of the alternatives.

We've shit the bed now it's time to lay in it.
We'll said that man.
 
with paolo di canio i think we would have stayed up and the style he had the team play would have eventually instilled a bit of confidence

but we will never know

the players, the club and probably 50% of the fans were simply not up for it

perhaps us being generally shyte is more to do with culture

than money or luck

just because we can fill sol and take a few thousand away

this does not make us champions

it just gives us a warm feeling

like pissing the bed

feels nice till you realise what's gone on!
Canny use of paragraphs Mr. Ryder !
 
For once we had hope.

For once we had a real revolution.

For once the club was vibrant.

For once we were at the centre of the football worlds attention.

For once we had real passion.

But now it's gone.

This won't be a one year Championship jaunt that we are facing now.

It will be the dawning of a new era of nothingness.

We deserve it for not standing by him.

The club, the players and a lot of the fans did this without even thinking of the alternatives.

We've shit the bed now it's time to lay in it.

Surely a piss take or a mag
 
Wow wake up and smell the coffee!

No I'm telling he old have got it right.


Yes I most defo am but criticism is for the players. However it is still very worrying that the players can play like that for a new manager, no new manager bounce, perhaps points to less than 100% repect or regard for him.
Is he strong enough, shrewd enough? don't know but I do know Paolo was.

He showed absolutely no managerial ability whatsoever to suggest that he would have got it right. As much as the players are utterly gutless twats, they had a clueless lunatic managing them.
 
He showed absolutely no managerial ability whatsoever to suggest that he would have got it right. As much as the players are utterly gutless twats, they had a clueless lunatic managing them.

i'm still trying to work out where the mad man tag came from
emotional yes
disciplined yes
the best of leaders no (any half decent football club would have supported him in this regard)
if he just had to take a few a few players out and put a few players in, and failed, then was sacked even that would have been too soon
but he inherited a rancid and disgraceful culture which (the players having won) will only now get worse
it takes time to fix a fucked culture, far more time than he had
with that fixed it would have fixed the results eventually
at the very worst we may have went down regardless
but fuck it would have felt better than how we are going to go down now
i personally liked the football his team were trying to play but luck hardly went our way
regardless of this and even if we had a few more points he would have been a gonner anway
there would have been too many gutless wonders at managerial and player level working against him
my biggest dissapointment is that there was obviously an undercurrent of supporters against him
probably wanting a short term fix but there won't be a short term fix at sunderland

having said all of that i wish gus poyet well under the circumstances.
 
i'm still trying to work out where the mad man tag came from
emotional yes
disciplined yes (You're f***ing joking aren't you? Before you can discipline others you have to have self-discipline. There's more to discipline than hard work.
the best of leaders no (any half decent football club would have supported him in this regard)
if he just had to take a few a few players out and put a few players in, and failed, then was sacked even that would have been too soon
but he inherited a rancid and disgraceful culture which (the players having won) will only now get worse
it takes time to fix a fucked culture, far more time than he had
with that fixed it would have fixed the results eventually
at the very worst we may have went down regardless
but fuck it would have felt better than how we are going to go down now
i personally liked the football his team were trying to play but luck hardly went our way
regardless of this and even if we had a few more points he would have been a gonner anway
there would have been too many gutless wonders at managerial and player level working against him
my biggest dissapointment is that there was obviously an undercurrent of supporters against him
probably wanting a short term fix but there won't be a short term fix at sunderland

having said all of that i wish gus poyet well under the circumstances.
 
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