The sacking Of Paulo Di Canio. Sunderland Football Clubs Crucible Moment


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PDC came out and said publicly (you know the thing you all bash him for doing?) and said it was like a holiday camp. Players not training, not doing signings, turning up whenever, talking about international breaks and generally f***ing about.

Think he just made that up "to get him all the attention"? Something all the PDC out brigade keep banging on about, when the only people who are making it all about him were themselves and the media circus.

Apart from that, players don't like training. Plenty have said so but they are paid and it's a must.

You can see now everything Di Canio was saying was right, he talked about changing the mentality of the club, he told it how it was the players were unfit, doing what they wanted, he tried to change it and some players did not like he took exception and got mad, players called Byrne and Smithers and the rest is history.

He was building the club from the bottom up into a professionally run club with high exceptional standards and De Fanti/Short who ever should have paid the contracts up of the players who took the stand and booted them out, because we now have player rot at the club and we are in free-fall.

All these brilliant players who took the stand have served the club oh so well since Di Canio went, walking round with big smiles on their faces after beating Peterborough the disgusting bastards they should be hung drawn and quartered.

Short has made the worst decision and the timing of the decision was awful to sack Di Canio, you reap what you sow and Short is getting that in abundance.
 
You can see now everything Di Canio was saying was right, he talked about changing the mentality of the club, he told it how it was the players were unfit, doing what they wanted, he tried to change it and some players did not like he took exception and got mad, players called Byrne and Smithers and the rest is history.

He was building the club from the bottom up into a professionally run club with high exceptional standards and De Fanti/Short who ever should have paid the contracts up of the players who took the stand and booted them out, because we now have player rot at the club and we are in free-fall.

All these brilliant players who took the stand have served the club oh so well since Di Canio went, walking round with big smiles on their faces after beating Peterborough the disgusting bastards they should be hung drawn and quartered.

Short has made the worst decision and the timing of the decision was awful to sack Di Canio, you reap what you sow and Short is getting that in abundance.

Harsh, but fair.

You do realise what this entails? It's not pleasant.
 
You can see now everything Di Canio was saying was right, he talked about changing the mentality of the club, he told it how it was the players were unfit, doing what they wanted, he tried to change it and some players did not like he took exception and got mad, players called Byrne and Smithers and the rest is history.

He was building the club from the bottom up into a professionally run club with high exceptional standards and De Fanti/Short who ever should have paid the contracts up of the players who took the stand and booted them out, because we now have player rot at the club and we are in free-fall.

All these brilliant players who took the stand have served the club oh so well since Di Canio went, walking round with big smiles on their faces after beating Peterborough the disgusting bastards they should be hung drawn and quartered.

Short has made the worst decision and the timing of the decision was awful to sack Di Canio, you reap what you sow and Short is getting that in abundance.

That's about the size of it.Players want shooting with shite !!
 
That's about the size of it.Players want shooting with shite !!
Still feeling totally despondent. I have argued Paolo's case till I'm blue in the face and bruised from the battering I've taking on this forum. But to see the state the team are now in beggars belief. How can you all not see the huge difference in the play since he left, surely this proves who is to blame here, surely his proves our rubbish" I want it easy " players are bringing our club down to its knees. If there was anyway Paolo would come back God I'd snap his hands off. At the moment I can't see how I can get back my passion for this bunch of ...?
 
:rolleyes:The slump in form since he left is alarming

The slump while he was here was equally shocking. The man was/is a narcissistic nutter, and many on here (and in the general media) predicted it would end in tears, and it did. He shouldn't be let within 200 miles of another job in professional football management, and I'll be amazed if he ever gets appointed by another club.
 
Still feeling totally despondent. I have argued Paolo's case till I'm blue in the face and bruised from the battering I've taking on this forum. But to see the state the team are now in beggars belief. How can you all not see the huge difference in the play since he left, surely this proves who is to blame here, surely his proves our rubbish" I want it easy " players are bringing our club down to its knees. If there was anyway Paolo would come back God I'd snap his hands off. At the moment I can't see how I can get back my passion for this bunch of ...?

with paolo di canio i think we would have stayed up and the style he had the team play would have eventually instilled a bit of confidence

but we will never know

the players, the club and probably 50% of the fans were simply not up for it

perhaps us being generally shyte is more to do with culture

than money or luck

just because we can fill sol and take a few thousand away

this does not make us champions

it just gives us a warm feeling

like pissing the bed

feels nice till you realise what's gone on!
 
Still feeling totally despondent. I have argued Paolo's case till I'm blue in the face and bruised from the battering I've taking on this forum. But to see the state the team are now in beggars belief. How can you all not see the huge difference in the play since he left, surely this proves who is to blame here, surely his proves our rubbish" I want it easy " players are bringing our club down to its knees. If there was anyway Paolo would come back God I'd snap his hands off. At the moment I can't see how I can get back my passion for this bunch of ...?
I feel exactly the same mate.I've nothing but contempt for the players if I'm being honest.Arrogant, smug and incapable of turning in a performance for the good of the club.Don't like double training sessions etc. etc. my heart bleeds....
 
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Still feeling totally despondent. I have argued Paolo's case till I'm blue in the face and bruised from the battering I've taking on this forum. But to see the state the team are now in beggars belief. How can you all not see the huge difference in the play since he left, surely this proves who is to blame here, surely his proves our rubbish" I want it easy " players are bringing our club down to its knees. If there was anyway Paolo would come back God I'd snap his hands off. At the moment I can't see how I can get back my passion for this bunch of ...?
I give you and PDC my full support. Never in the recent history of this once great club have we needed a manager just like him right now! A revolution has a lot of casualties. Disappointingly whilst many supporters and management saw the need for this degree of change they bottled it. Did the supporters at West Brom screaming for PDC's head not realize what his chanes entailed? did the club's management team not have any inkling the level of change needed and how so much change would cause so much disruption.

I'm afraid the current situation was not PDC 's fault (my opinion) but it has put us back farther than the position we were in last season. We caught a glimpse of what was possible vs Newcastle but the fickle supporters and Board deemed it not worth waiting for.
 
Still feeling totally despondent. I have argued Paolo's case till I'm blue in the face and bruised from the battering I've taking on this forum. But to see the state the team are now in beggars belief. How can you all not see the huge difference in the play since he left, surely this proves who is to blame here, surely his proves our rubbish" I want it easy " players are bringing our club down to its knees. If there was anyway Paolo would come back God I'd snap his hands off. At the moment I can't see how I can get back my passion for this bunch of ...?

The huge difference in play? You mean the cup game which we actually won and then two games under ball where we actually performed?

Swansea on Saturday was little different from the wba barring the scoreline difference. We were powder puff and weak as piss under di Canio and nothing has changed yet.[DOUBLEPOST=1382379987][/DOUBLEPOST]Roy Keane tried to have a revolution of change here too, he at least started well and showed himself worthy of being given the chance before he showed up short and few people in hindsight would still have him here now. Quite why there is such staunch support for di Canio whenall he had was talk is beyond me.
 
The canonisation of Paolo Di Canio since he was sacked is unbelievable. Why don't we just go the whole hog and erect a statue of him and Alfred N'Diaye outside the ground.

He was a smooth talker, but a loose cannon. Fans of every other club and the media saw through him straight away, but too many people were taken in and are seemingly still taken in by him even though he's gone. He'll be lucky to work in the top two divisions of England again. He worked well at Swindon because he was a massive name in terms of former players managing in that league and the players would've looked up to him because he'd played in the Premiership and in games they could only dream of.

Our lot wouldn't have had any respect for him, but instead of trying to earn their respect he decided to beat them with a stick constantly. Everything he said in public was a dig at the players and anything that went wrong (and we saw a lot go wrong) was always the players fault never Paolo never his tactics. You can't manage players like that you've got to win them over and get them onside. We are still suffering the fall out from the fact that Paolo made it about Paolo vs the players rather than Paolo and the players vs whoever we happened to be playing.

It was a beautiful dream to bring him in I can see that a renegade who would get rid of all the bad apples, but you need two or three windows to do that and while you are lumbered with them you have to try and get on with them, but he never grasped that fact and that cost him his job.

I'm hoping Poyet has the right balance between discipline and improving the morale, but one thing we don't have is time as we could really be in the mire by Christmas. People need to forget about Di Canio though and move on and back the new man
 
The huge difference in play? You mean the cup game which we actually won and then two games under ball where we actually performed?

Swansea on Saturday was little different from the wba barring the scoreline difference. We were powder puff and weak as piss under di Canio and nothing has changed yet.[DOUBLEPOST=1382379987][/DOUBLEPOST]Roy Keane tried to have a revolution of change here too, he at least started well and showed himself worthy of being given the chance before he showed up short and few people in hindsight would still have him here now. Quite why there is such staunch support for di Canio whenall he had was talk is beyond me.
Yeah & look at what happened when he tried to change that....
 
Yeah & look at what happened when he tried to change that....

I'm talking about our much praised style of play, tidy up till the final third and wide open at the back due to pressing so high up the pitch, whilst having little pace at the back. It never had a hope of working with our current players, even less so when you're constantly blaming them, when some of it was di Canio's own doing.
 
I can see to an extent why some defend him on here in terms of him being undermined by the board and wanting to change the mentality around the place, but what ability did he actually show as a manager?

From the Everton win last season onwards it was one shambles after another. Incredible how some on here hold him almost blameless for that.
 
I feel exactly the same mate.I've nothing but contempt for the players if I'm being honest.Arrogant, smug and incapable of turning in a performance for the good of the club.Don't like double training sessions etc. etc. my heart bleeds....
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The huge difference in play? Quite why there is such staunch support for di Canio whenall he had was talk is beyond me.
If you are unable to see the difference in play, no wonder everything is 'beyond' you.[DOUBLEPOST=1382383059][/DOUBLEPOST]
The huge difference in play? Quite why there is such staunch support for di Canio whenall he had was talk is beyond me.
If you are unable to see the difference in play, no wonder everything is 'beyond' you.
 
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If you are unable to see the difference in play, no wonder everything is 'beyond' you.[DOUBLEPOST=1382383059][/DOUBLEPOST]
If you are unable to see the difference in play, no wonder everything is 'beyond' you.

The difference in style of play from what? First half this season in a few games under PDC we pressed high up the pitch, early season we knocked it about quite well, but came unstuck in the final third having no real penetration. In those games we left acres of space in midfield and especially in defence in our own half, which generally led us to concede meekly and then Arsenal game apart, it was more or less game over once we conceded. In most of those games we tired and were knackered in the second half, not being able to keep it up as we chased shadows and our play disintergrated as a result.

Under Ball is was similarly high tempo, against Man Utd even more high tempo first half than under PDC. In that game we introduced more variation in terms of balls played forward, many of which became more and more aimless as the game wore on. In this game there was more substance to our play than at anytime this season. Second half we were knackered as Utd lifted their game and we couldn't cope.

Against Swansea Poyet tried to tighten things up at the back as we have been conceding far too many goals this season, without being able to reply to them adequately. He tried to organise them and regain some team shape. As a result of going too far down this route we probably invited Swansea onto us too much, but first half, as with almost every game this season we gave a good account of ourselves, before conceding second half, tiring and meekly conceding again and again.

You talk about the difference in play under Di Canio as if it's meaningful. It's not. It's a tweak here or a tweak there, but not enough. For you to keep coming back to it as though playing that little bit more football, but still seeing the same shortcomings and leaving yourself exposed at the other end is some kind of plan we should have adhered to is absolutely absurd. It was flawed from the start with the players we have.
 
The difference in style of play from what? First half this season in a few games under PDC we pressed high up the pitch, early season we knocked it about quite well, but came unstuck in the final third having no real penetration.
Yes in those games we had no Fletcher.

against Swansea Poyet tried to tighten things up at the back as we have been conceding far too many goals this season, without being able to reply to them adequately. He tried to organise them and regain some team shape.
Only problem is he choose old guard players who were much worse than Paolo's choices!

You talk about the difference in play under Di Canio as if it's meaningful. It's not. It was flawed from the start with the players we have.
Of course it was meaningful, it was positive, attacking football what we had been crying out for. Yes defence poor but perhaps you have also forgotten how new this was for the players, in both style and teammates. That would take time to come together, which it would have done. Yet under your arguement, the dire dross football seen on Saturday was by and large from old teammates who have played together lots of times!!
I know which showed and had more potential, because there was room to develop. Not anymore.
 
Yes in those games we had no Fletcher.


Only problem is he choose old guard players who were much worse than Paolo's choices!


Of course it was meaningful, it was positive, attacking football what we had been crying out for. Yes defence poor but perhaps you have also forgotten how new this was for the players, in both style and teammates. That would take time to come together, which it would have done. Yet under your arguement, the dire dross football seen on Saturday was by and large from old teammates who have played together lots of times!!
I know which showed and had more potential, because there was room to develop. Not anymore.

di canio picked old guard players, stop trying to rewrite history.
of course it wasnt anymore meaningful or productive, it was marginally tidier football without any kind of end product going forward and the manner in which we pressed left us open and the formation left us short in key areas. it was flawed in several areas, its bullshit suggesting theres been a radical downturn since.
saturday was little different from most games this season. good first half, tired and fell away in the second half. youre also suggesting pdc would have got it right given time, yet your giving criticsm for satirdays performance when its the managers first game. a manager who has a good record of setting up sides to play good football, with. strong defence at a higher level than di canio and without the mass turmover of players constsntly courting controversy.
 
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