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The Post-Ashes Inquest Thread

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and the coach.

Bayliss got the job because Strauss wanted to get better at one-day stuff. Well, we have got better. There's no real need to get shot of Bayliss straight-away, although I think I read he wants out having done his stint anyway but we need a coach that concentrates of Test cricket. We have a one day team and a mostly separate Test team, time maybe for a separate one-day head coach and a Test head-coach.

Vaughan has some suggestions in his latest article which mostly come down to better flatter Test pitches - and he references Trent Bridge saying pitch like that in 2015 give the wrong lesson to bowlers. But .... as far as I saw the Trent Bridge pitch didn't have much to do with what happened, the wickets fell trough swing and that's generated by the atmosphere not the pitch.

Also, the Trent Bridge pitch the previous year against the Indians was flatter as owt and in the bright sunshine there was no swing and that match was criticised as being boring (by the likes of Botham) - can't win.
 

1) Agree with the OP. Broad is the first of the old hands to go.

2) It's fine saying the selection is poor but aside from Plunkett and Leach (and even he couldn't be a straight swap for Ali as the tail would get even worse) I'm not sure where they could have gone. People saying Woakes shouldn't have been dropped are mad - he'd have had 7 wickets in Adelaide if Stoneman and Cook could catch.

3) Reducing the LVCC this year will have made no difference to this year's result. Shafting the domestic four day game will take 5-10 years to impact the test team.

4) I think the big issue in England is systemic and will take a decade to flow through to test level. Australia have 1.2 million cricketers, we have 800k despite treble the population. We need to grow the game to get better. I think the new T20 league can reverse the shrinking a bit and will boost cricket across all formats further down the line.
 
On Vaughan's point, I know it won't solve the issue of not being able to win overseas, but I want to see us make full use of home advantage and actually don't think we do it enough in terms of leaving a bit of moisture in the pitch to encourage seam movement, certainly not to the extent of India with their raging Bunsens from day 1. We rely purely on swing home and abroad.

Personally think we should go back to basics first, start with learning how to construct a Test innings again, and employ a coach who can encourage that. Then move onto the bowling and how to take 20 wickets when there's no swing.
 
Here's a radical idea. What about playing Ashes series in the same format as NBA playoff finals series. That is, alternate home and away in a single series. Who gets the 3 home games alternates between series.

The idea being that these home whitewashes would be eliminated, and that Ashes series would be more competitive.

Disclaimer, I'm a bit pissed.
 
Billy Rocket said:
Here's a radical idea. What about playing Ashes series in the same format as NBA playoff finals series. That is, alternate home and away in a single series. Who gets the 3 home games alternates between series.

The idea being that these home whitewashes would be eliminated, and that Ashes series would be more competitive.

Disclaimer, I'm a bit pissed.
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Neither side is great so these series should be close regardless. We've just been piss poor thought
 
Jack Torrance said:
Neither side is great so these series should be close regardless. We've just been piss poor thought
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I spotted a fatal flaw anyway, once I sobered up. When it's summer here its winter on mullet island, and vice versa. That would make it a bit tricky to change countries in mid series.
 
Start by sacking the selectors. Then see where we go.

I know I've banged the drum for years regarding Mike Newell, but hes proven himself as a complete know nothing fuckwit who time and time again picks his mates over the best players.

I'd say the same for Angus Fraser too, a typical English seamer - not much more than military medium pace, a grafter, little real talent aside from that.

After that, Bayliss shouldn't have any say at all - I believe being England coach gives you a spot on the selectors table (?) but if the bloke isn't prepared to watch any county cricket, how can he be given a say on selection? What's more, if he isn't prepared to watch any county cricket he can fuck off! That would be like a fireman saying he doesn't want to fight fires - just do car accidents and put up smoke alarms :rolleyes:
 
let's not forget we simply haven't played well enough and for long enough. we've lacked energy and focus and looked like we've never played here before. our top players simply have not delivered. the australians, who are a decent side without being great have outplayed us in every department. luckily for us warner has had a poor series otherwise it could have been worse.
 
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That’s pretty selective tho isn’t it

Michael Vaughan would have had James Vince
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Just about every pundit has questioned the decision. That's just the most prominent ones off the top of my head.

Even if you don't rate either Plunkett or Wood individually, as part of maintaining a varied bowling attack it still makes complete sense.

If Jake Ball could get on the plane....

Ageing trundler said:
1 Have a domestic schedule that values all formats. Play 1 day games on a Friday and start the CC on a Saturday.
2 Go back to 2 divisions of 9 in the CC.
3 Take 'England B' squads on tour all winter and play meaningful cricket around the world v other countries B sides.
4 Prepare properly for overseas tours and don't rely on host countries to do this. Offer Ireland/MCC select side to play England for a month before overseas tests (or play neighbouring Associates, i.e. Papua New Guinea when we go to Australia/NZ).
5 All selectors/coaches/captain should attend CC games as much as possible.
6 Stop looking at the BBL/IPL as if it is the solution. English cricketers are well paid.
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Why has it always got to be a trade off between short and long formats? India and Australia have managed to be good at both.

We need to raise the profile of cricket to increase the talent pool, which means showing short format at peak times, preferably on free to air television. Build on the increased enthusiasm this creates by funding youth participation, through clubs and schools. Set up indoor cricket leagues to run through the winter.

T20 games should be played on Saturdays or Sundays throughout the season, filling the football gap, with CC and ODI competitions fitted around that. This means more CC in high summer so less dependence on swing/seam bowlers.
 
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Remember when Lyon was talking about ending players careers this series. Looks like he may have been right
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tbh. Such things always happen for the losing side.

smoker said:
Just about every pundit has questioned the decision. That's just the most prominent ones off the top of my head.

Even if you don't rate either Plunkett or Wood individually, as part of maintaining a varied bowling attack it still makes complete sense.

If Jake Ball could get on the plane....



Why has it always got to be a trade off between short and long formats? India and Australia have managed to be good at both.

We need to raise the profile of cricket to increase the talent pool, which means showing short format at peak times, preferably on free to air television. Build on the increased enthusiasm this creates by funding youth participation, through clubs and schools. Set up indoor cricket leagues to run through the winter.

T20 games should be played on Saturdays or Sundays throughout the season, filling the football gap, with CC and ODI competitions fitted around that. This means more CC in high summer so less dependence on swing/seam bowlers.
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Australia play 10 1st class games. - This is always said with the suggestion that if we go from 14/16 down to 10 it will be alright.

Finn in the press today and Bumble for weeks have been saying this. Bicknell today said that's cr*p.

But it's more than the games. It's when in the summer the 4 day games are played, it's English conditions and it's the use of a ball designed to swing and seam and maybe it's conditioning. There more than a few factors involved.
 
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Bri said:
tbh. Such things always happen for the losing side.


Australia play 10 1st class games. - This is always said with the suggestion that if we go from 14/16 down to 10 it will be alright.

Finn in the press today and Bumble for weeks have been saying this. Bicknell today said that's cr*p.

But it's more than the games. It's when in the summer the 4 day games are played, it's English conditions and it's the use of a ball designed to swing and seam and maybe it's conditioning. There more than a few factors involved.
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We can't recreate Perth over here but we can try our best and that is by playing some CC games outside of the obsession with sticking the vast majority in April, May and September.
 
Firstly, there's the Stokes fiasco, the lads not been found guilty of any crime, yet the snobs at the ECB have banned him from playing. In my opinion his absence, is playing heavily on Root's confidence, Stokes was his vice captain and a guy who he could rely upon to back up his captains decisions. Unfortunately at the moment, Root looks like a lost schoolboy, without a mates shoulder to cry upon.. Again, the selectors, they knew fine well that these Aussie pitches would not suit our bowlers, so why were NO pace bowler selected ie Woods. The tour has been a complete disaster from day one.
 
In amongst all the suggestions Bumble tweeted this and it sounds right too.

I think what is emerging is that they have been getting the quicks ready for this over a couple of years . Inevitable that real fast bowlers get injured cos of body strain ... they have looked after them well
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