The pens taken at Charlton end



That's shit that like, it obviously makes a difference to players if they have their fans behind the goal, of the safety fears were so severe then they should have took the players off the pitch and abandoned the game rather than lose the equal opportunity for a sporting advantage to either team.
 
Confucius said:
Rules are rules and are there for a reason, every one knows them, everyone should abide by them. The rules were broken, irrespective of who made the decision. If it was for safety reasons the authorities should have been aware beforehand. Judging by the Doncaster captains response, he certainly wasn’t. They then had the nerve to toss for who goes first and Charlton won that as well. Anyone saying it doesn’t make a difference which end they are taken, is also talking shite, otherwise why have the toss up in first place. Of course it doesn’t always work out that way. If the Police thought it was unsafe, that should have also been communicated beforehand, the fact that a Charlton official escorted the police to the ref and did most of the talking would suggest that it is obviously a joint decision. They should have had legitimate reason for choosing that end and that should be conveyed to the EFL before the chance of any shoot out took place. Why should Rovers suffer if Charlton couldn’t afford to police it properly or the police couldn’t be arsed. It’s all supposition at the moment because we don’t know what the safety reasons are, unless I’ve missed something, but it should be investigated
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Lewberry pie said:
That's shit that like, it obviously makes a difference to players if they have their fans behind the goal, of the safety fears were so severe then they should have took the players off the pitch and abandoned the game rather than lose the equal opportunity for a sporting advantage to either team.
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And this.

If the police fear for safety if Watford win the cup should they be able to cancel any goals they score.
This is clearly a breach of the rules of the competition and the fixture should be replayed.
 
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This has wound me right up and another example of people trying to use H&S as an excuse (if this is what has happened) for their own advantage. That last night was worrying if a home team can control a shootout to their own advantage. It needs challenged and reasons made public, with the precedent being west brom villa managing to cope the other night in the same circumstances, so if charlton couldnt manage that they should not have a safety certificate.
 
Any sign of anyone other than us being up in arms about this and particularly the powers that be? Are they doing anything about the pitch invasion?
 
Charlton can’t use affordability as an excuse. They need to bring in the right amount of police and Stewards as the situation needs.
They will receive 25% of the gate receipts from each of the four matches and with attendances much higher than their average, they will have done alright out of it.
 
Confucius said:
Rules are rules and are there for a reason, every one knows them, everyone should abide by them. The rules were broken, irrespective of who made the decision. If it was for safety reasons the authorities should have been aware beforehand. Judging by the Doncaster captains response, he certainly wasn’t. They then had the nerve to toss for who goes first and Charlton won that as well. Anyone saying it doesn’t make a difference which end they are taken, is also talking shite, otherwise why have the toss up in first place. Of course it doesn’t always work out that way. If the Police thought it was unsafe, that should have also been communicated beforehand, the fact that a Charlton official escorted the police to the ref and did most of the talking would suggest that it is obviously a joint decision. They should have had legitimate reason for choosing that end and that should be conveyed to the EFL before the chance of any shoot out took place. Why should Rovers suffer if Charlton couldn’t afford to police it properly or the police couldn’t be arsed. It’s all supposition at the moment because we don’t know what the safety reasons are, unless I’ve missed something, but it should be investigated
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Absolutely. If its health and safety reasons these need stated and questions asked on their suitability to host football matches.
 
Market Where? said:
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And this.

If the police fear for safety if Watford win the cup should they be able to cancel any goals they score.
This is clearly a breach of the rules of the competition and the fixture should be replayed.
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I agree that it is completely unfair, however it actually is not in breach of the rules;

EFL Official Website - Rules & Regulations

'2.5 In the Final, if the score is level at the end of 90 (ninety) minutes, extra time will be played, followed if necessary by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark in accordance with procedures as approved by IFAB.'

International Football Association Board | IFAB

  • 'Unless there are other considerations (e.g. ground conditions, safety etc.), the referee tosses a coin to decide the goal at which the kicks will be taken which may only be changed for safety reasons or if the goal or playing surface becomes unusable'
I think it was utter shithousery of the highest order by Charlton, and they definitely should be forced to release the safety reasons, but unfortunately, I think Doncaster have simply been screwed.

I also think that this rule needs looked at, as home clubs can obviously manipulate it to their advantage. Disgusting that a club would, but some teams don't mind bending the rules as long as they win.
 
i never saw it but from what i gather it's disgusting.
charlton gained an advantage and in do or die like a shoot out anything be it big or small will count.
i presume charlton will get fined for failing to control their fans, same happened at shrewsbury the other week. i can understand the reasons and celebrations but imo this h&s rubbish was just an excuse to give charlton an advantage.
nothing against charlton btw, always found their fans to be fine. it's the bellends in charge. wonder what would've happened if doncaster refused to take their penalties.
 
Chizno1 said:
I agree that it is completely unfair, however it actually is not in breach of the rules;

EFL Official Website - Rules & Regulations

'2.5 In the Final, if the score is level at the end of 90 (ninety) minutes, extra time will be played, followed if necessary by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark in accordance with procedures as approved by IFAB.'

International Football Association Board | IFAB

  • 'Unless there are other considerations (e.g. ground conditions, safety etc.), the referee tosses a coin to decide the goal at which the kicks will be taken which may only be changed for safety reasons or if the goal or playing surface becomes unusable'
I think it was utter shithousery of the highest order by Charlton, and they definitely should be forced to release the safety reasons, but unfortunately, I think Doncaster have simply been screwed.

I also think that this rule needs looked at, as home clubs can obviously manipulate it to their advantage. Disgusting that a club would, but some teams don't mind bending the rules as long as they win.
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Those safety reasons would need to be apparent beforehand, it can’t be made just before he tosses the coin
 
Confucius said:
Those safety reasons would need to be apparent beforehand, it can’t be made just before he tosses the coin
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I think this part would get around it though;

'Unless there are other considerations (e.g. ground conditions, safety etc.), the referee tosses a coin to decide the goal at which the kicks will be taken which may only be changed for safety reasons or if the goal or playing surface becomes unusable

The end can even be changed after the first coin toss is my reading of that rule.

Again, I don't agree that it's fair at all.
 
What a load of horse shit this was.

Can you imagine the joy NP would have handing out the 1000s of banning orders if that was us.

Im not arsed who we play in the final so this can't be seen as bitterness but Charlton should have the book hoyed at them. Scandless.
 
Chizno1 said:
I agree that it is completely unfair, however it actually is not in breach of the rules;

EFL Official Website - Rules & Regulations

'2.5 In the Final, if the score is level at the end of 90 (ninety) minutes, extra time will be played, followed if necessary by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark in accordance with procedures as approved by IFAB.'

International Football Association Board | IFAB

  • 'Unless there are other considerations (e.g. ground conditions, safety etc.), the referee tosses a coin to decide the goal at which the kicks will be taken which may only be changed for safety reasons or if the goal or playing surface becomes unusable'
I think it was utter shithousery of the highest order by Charlton, and they definitely should be forced to release the safety reasons, but unfortunately, I think Doncaster have simply been screwed.

I also think that this rule needs looked at, as home clubs can obviously manipulate it to their advantage. Disgusting that a club would, but some teams don't mind bending the rules as long as they win.
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I guess Doncaster can ask for the reasons to be made public and why this was not agreed before the game. Doing it at the point of penalties will have obviously distracted the Doncaster players.
 
JOEJA said:
This has wound me right up and another example of people trying to use H&S as an excuse (if this is what has happened) for their own advantage. That last night was worrying if a home team can control a shootout to their own advantage. It needs challenged and reasons made public, with the precedent being west brom villa managing to cope the other night in the same circumstances, so if charlton couldnt manage that they should not have a safety certificate.
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Totally this.
I have no problem with Charlton as a club or with their fans, but what happened gave them an unfair advantage.
 
Market Where? said:
I guess Doncaster can ask for the reasons to be made public and why this was not agreed before the game. Doing it at the point of penalties will have obviously distracted the Doncaster players.
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Definitely, you could tell they were rattled, and it was utterly disgraceful. An investigation should definitely be carried out, hopefully leading to a rule change to stop any other team ever trying that rubbish again.
 
At the risk of getting some stick here, I took quite a different view.

A) I’m pretty sure penalty shoot-outs being allocated an end by police on safety reasons is fairly common. It’s usually pre-determined before the game.

B) Everyone talking about Doncaster having a disadvantage... well of course they did but isn’t that the point? They finished 15 points behind Charlton over a league season and as such were required to play the deciding second leg away from home. Just as we did because we finished below Pompey.

It’s not meant to be fair. That’s why they call it home advantage.
 
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