The "offside" for the Norwich goal


Rowe blocked a free kick being taken. He was not booked.

Right or wrong?

I'm talking about the linesman whose been pulled from pillar to post tbf. I'm absolutely certain the ref got a few things wrong today. Probably won't be a game this weekend where a red doesn't get a few things wrong. I never ever say a ref gets everything right
 
I'm talking about the linesman whose been pulled from pillar to post tbf. I'm absolutely certain the ref got a few things wrong today. Probably won't be a game this weekend where a red doesn't get a few things wrong. I never ever say a ref gets everything right

No, of course they won’t.

I still standby the linesmen getting things wrong too, some of them very basic, and I still standby my original thought in the stadium that the east stand linesman stopped, and turned front on as if he were ready to raise his flag for offside.

But aye, they do have a better angle than I do, than most of us do the majority of the time. Aye, they’ll get stuff wrong. Yes, as supporters we’ll think they’ve got stuff right or wrong based upon the way it’s gone.

It’s the inconsistencies that vex me. That Rowe one today being a pretty obvious one.
 
I’ve slowed it down to 0.25 speed and then scrubbed through, that’s as close as you can get to him kicking the ball.

Here’s one well after he’s kicked the ball for reference
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This! Using the frame advance on Youtube it's clear to see he was onside. The other big clue is that Hume's left foot is 'still' planted near the grass shade line in that frame. Given he's swinging he right leg prior then it will have been in the same position in the previous few frames to the kicking of the ball.

off side because it affected Ekwah's run to the ball
I'm not sure where it is in the rules that he affected Ekwah's run to the ball. He didn't impact Ekwah being able to play the ball at all so none of the below apply. It's the simple fact that Ekwah thought he was offside so chose not to do what he should be doing. The only part of the rule close to what you think it is, is the bit highlighted in red. That's for something like when an attacker is offside when a shot comes in and the attacker tries to play the ball but misses but has an effect on what the keeper does.

2. Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

  • interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
  • interfering with an opponent by:
    • preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
    • challenging an opponent for the ball or
    • clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
    • making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
It's explained in more detail here and this is like the Everton v Manchester United example



Don't hesitate play to the whistle that's what you get taught as a bairn he should've cleared the ball & clattered the Norwich player too
This! To be brutal you could even point some blame at O'Nien as he was the player who could have tracked and challenged the goal scorer. Yet if you watch him, he's expecting play to stop also and switches off completely and this allows the goalscorer to get ahead of him and it's far too late when he finally reacts and runs back. Basic school kid stuff of playing to the whistle and not playing to what you think the decision should be.

Though can you believe that if Ekwah fouled the 'offside' player before he touched or attempted to play the ball it would be a foul to Norwich? It's in section 11.2 here 🤪


A player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence
 
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This! Using the frame advance on Youtube it's clear to see he was onside. The other big clue is that Hume's left foot is 'still' planted near the grass shade line in that frame. Given he's swinging he right leg prior then it will have been in the same position in the previous few frames to the kicking of the ball.


I'm not sure where it is in the rules that he affected Ekwah's run to the ball. He didn't impact Ekwah being able to play the ball at all so none of the below apply. It's the simple fact that Ekwah thought he was offside so chose not to do what he should be doing. The only part of the rule close to what you think it is, is the bit highlighted in red. That's for something like when an attacker is offside when a shot comes in and the attacker tries to play the ball but misses but has an effect on what the keeper does.

2. Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

  • interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
  • interfering with an opponent by:
    • preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
    • challenging an opponent for the ball or
    • clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
    • making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
It's explained in more detail here and this is like the Everton v Manchester United example




This! To be brutal you could even point some blame at O'Nien as he was the player who could have tracked and challenged the goal scorer. Yet if you watch him, he's expecting play to stop also and switches off completely and this allows the goalscorer to get ahead of him and it's far too late when he finally reacts and runs back. Basic school kid stuff of playing to the whistle and not playing to what you think the decision should be.

Though can you believe that if Ekwah fouled the 'offside' player before he touched or attempted to play the ball it would be a foul to Norwich? It's in section 11.2 here 🤪


A player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence
yeah exactly...offside...he was affecting play as he affected Ekwahs run...end of
 
1 - he's onside
2 - even though onside he didn't interfere with play
I was level with this and fuming, but in fairness (sorry all) its a great decision by the linesman.
 
Hume played him onside. Not sure why there's so much debate when it's clear on the video and still image previously posted.
 
It was onside like. Still was shit though
No idea how the lino didn't see the elbow.
Yep, definitely onside but still terrible. The throw in he gave to Norwich when the ball stopped dead before the line was ridiculous. I was sat in the east stand looking very puzzled.
 
This! Using the frame advance on Youtube it's clear to see he was onside. The other big clue is that Hume's left foot is 'still' planted near the grass shade line in that frame. Given he's swinging he right leg prior then it will have been in the same position in the previous few frames to the kicking of the ball.


I'm not sure where it is in the rules that he affected Ekwah's run to the ball. He didn't impact Ekwah being able to play the ball at all so none of the below apply. It's the simple fact that Ekwah thought he was offside so chose not to do what he should be doing. The only part of the rule close to what you think it is, is the bit highlighted in red. That's for something like when an attacker is offside when a shot comes in and the attacker tries to play the ball but misses but has an effect on what the keeper does.

2. Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

  • interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
  • interfering with an opponent by:
    • preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
    • challenging an opponent for the ball or
    • clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
    • making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
It's explained in more detail here and this is like the Everton v Manchester United example




This! To be brutal you could even point some blame at O'Nien as he was the player who could have tracked and challenged the goal scorer. Yet if you watch him, he's expecting play to stop also and switches off completely and this allows the goalscorer to get ahead of him and it's far too late when he finally reacts and runs back. Basic school kid stuff of playing to the whistle and not playing to what you think the decision should be.

Though can you believe that if Ekwah fouled the 'offside' player before he touched or attempted to play the ball it would be a foul to Norwich? It's in section 11.2 here 🤪


A player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence

Even if he was off I'm stunned that people thought he would have been classed as interfering. I'm sure there's been quite a few of these over the last few years, like the Rashford one last season and the attacker always gets adjudged to be onside.
 
Even if he was off I'm stunned that people thought he would have been classed as interfering. I'm sure there's been quite a few of these over the last few years, like the Rashford one last season and the attacker always gets adjudged to be onside.

I thought he was clearly interfering when I was sat in the West Stand (other side of the ground). This was because he looked pretty much on top of the ball. When I saw the replay at half time I wasn't so sure: he made a clear run for the ball but stopped a good few yards before getting to it, so I'd have to read the laws again to come to a decision. He definitely went towards the ball and he definitely affected the movement of our closest player, but then he did stop and didn't get closer than a few yards to the ball.

It's all immaterial anyway as he was onside in the first place :lol:
 
I can’t tell for sure if he’s offside or not but for arguments sake let’s say he was. If you’re not interfering with play, why run towards the ball?
 

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