The Model Works


MurtonMark said:
It’s the clubs own fault/mismanagement that meant he only had 12 months left. If they’d put a proper contract on the table for him when we were promoted, that cliff edge would have disappeared. As it is the fucked about, and gambled on things going a certain way. And here we are.

What is a "proper contract" as opposed to an improper contract? What are the details of this improper contract you imply?

A contract that’s of a suitable value to convince someone with - at the time - no Championship experience that they should commit their future to a Championship club.

Is anyone seriously still trying to argue that the club aren’t making a conscious effort to do things in the cheap?!

Anyone?!
 
Baffled at some of the responses.

Selling your players and not replacing them is not the model working.

We have nobody sufficient to come in and replace them ffs.

Our four best attacking players last year; Stewart, Amad, Roberts, Clarke and potentially losing three of them. You think Jack Clarke will hang around when all the talented lads are being sold?

All we needed to do this summer was make a couple of shrewd signings in addition to a quality forward and hang on to our best players. That would have allowed us to push on.

But no, they’re running the club like a f***ing boys club driven by ideology. They can get to fuck.


You don’t build by getting rid of your best workers.
100%. 2/3 in and out. But we’ve been warned from day 1. Sell for any decent offer, replace with cheaper.
 
I’d love to see some concrete proof that Brighton and Brentford went up sustainably, or was that just bollocks that has been repeated so often it’s now accepted as fact.

I would suggest that, in the vast majority of cases, teams going up from the Championship aren’t sustainable/self sustaining.
 
Made £9m+ on Stewart
Might make £5m on Roberts

Neither were in the squad at the weekend and we got a draw against a team how’ve spent huge and are expected to be top 6 minimum.

Will make future profits on Clarke, Hume, Ballard, Cirkin, Bellingham, Ekwah, Patterson, Rigg, Neil etc.

Still time for some additions and a more than capable manager at the helm.

Might not be the quick fire progress some are looking for but it’s a healthy way to run a club and a business.
The problem with the model is we continuously develop underdeveloped players with potential then sell them for a profit according to your reasoning. If that’s all we do how can we progress to become a top tier team? We Would be no better than a Premier or Championship’s reserve side.
 
Aye I support Sunderland to see the owners making healthy profits for themselves by selling our best, most experienced players then replacing them with youngsters who've never played at this level. I am looking forward to watching this process season after season until one season we may get promoted. It turns me on knowing our owners main goal is to have one of the lowest wage bills in the league, is there a trophy for that? I'm chuffed to bits the owners have made at least 8 million today! Get in lads, he's the best striker in the league and probably would have got us into the premier league but haway I'd rather have 8 million in the owners bank. Why would they pay a top striker 25 grand a week when they can sell him and get a young lad for 1-2m and pay him 5 grand a week? I mean he won't score anywhere near the same goals but please think of the owners bank balance! That's why we support Sunderland week in week out!
 
The two sides of this debate are probably both right.
Unemotionally it appears to work economically but that's to leave the emotions out of it, emotions come in when a club isn't going forward and not getting results with a model as blatant as this. Its okay to say from a distance but after watching sh*t football and s**t results for a while its a different story about the finances.
Its unromantic as f**k.

There's a few riding high at the moment but models of various kinds have caught many a club out in the end.
 
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Made £9m+ on Stewart
Might make £5m on Roberts

Neither were in the squad at the weekend and we got a draw against a team how’ve spent huge and are expected to be top 6 minimum.

Will make future profits on Clarke, Hume, Ballard, Cirkin, Bellingham, Ekwah, Patterson, Rigg, Neil etc.

Still time for some additions and a more than capable manager at the helm.

Might not be the quick fire progress some are looking for but it’s a healthy way to run a club and a business.
So how do you expect us to get into the PL if the object is to sell on the players you mentioned? We're a football club,not a market stall " Buy 'em cheap and sell 'em quick "
Exclude LND since the current regime had nowt to do with his signing.

I don't know about you but I follow Sunderland to watch exciting players without worrying that they all have a For Sale sign on their backs and can go the second a profit can be made.

We might as well have Purple Bricks as our next shirt sponsor.
 
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It's a long season. And yes, Hemir and Ba and a few others have looked a long way off, but given their age, they deserve a chance to get lots of minutes before being written off as downgrades. This isn't Danny Graham or Aiden O'Brien or Will Grigg, where you pay top of the league wages expecting top of the league results as soon as possible. Part of the investment in youth is knowing they are going to be potentially awful in the beginning but with experience may develop into much much more productive and valuable players. You get this right enough, then you gradually pay players more and buy replacements at higher transfer fees, proportionate to the growth in outgoing transfer fees. But if you try and spend more and pay more before the outgoing fees catch up, your margin for error in recruitment (and contract renewals) plummets.
 
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Aye I support Sunderland to see the owners making healthy profits for themselves by selling our best, most experienced players then replacing them with youngsters who've never played at this level. I am looking forward to watching this process season after season until one season we may get promoted. It turns me on knowing our owners main goal is to have one of the lowest wage bills in the league, is there a trophy for that? I'm chuffed to bits the owners have made at least 8 million today! Get in lads, he's the best striker in the league and probably would have got us into the premier league but haway I'd rather have 8 million in the owners bank. Why would they pay a top striker 25 grand a week when they can sell him and get a young lad for 1-2m and pay him 5 grand a week? I mean he won't score anywhere near the same goals but please think of the owners bank balance! That's why we support Sunderland week in week out!
The club is loss making. The owners made sweet fa and probably never will.
 
Made £9m+ on Stewart
Might make £5m on Roberts

Neither were in the squad at the weekend and we got a draw against a team how’ve spent huge and are expected to be top 6 minimum.

Will make future profits on Clarke, Hume, Ballard, Cirkin, Bellingham, Ekwah, Patterson, Rigg, Neil etc.

Still time for some additions and a more than capable manager at the helm.

Might not be the quick fire progress some are looking for but it’s a healthy way to run a club and a business.
Ah well I’m over the moon the club have players we will make a profit on at what point do we get promotion or a trophy.
 

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