The Model Works


Who is the poster that produces that squad chart/table that shows you the different players we have in each position? We need that up and running
 
So, our success is now based on buying players cheap in the hope we can make a profit on them and not on ambition to win trophies and/or promotion?

What happens if we have a succession of players who don't make the grade and turn out to be duds?

As another poster pointed out, now that we show what our 'model' is, clubs will ensure there's a healthy sell on clause for them.

I'm not disagreeing or arguing with anyone's points, but the reality is we have players like LND, Roberts, Clarke, Ekwah etc only until someone stumps up cash for them. I want to see them play for us, without knowing the plan is to sell them for a quick profit rather than build a team around them.

Yes, our success is based on purchasing players below their intrinsic value. You and I both want to see 10 - 15m players play for the club, the only way to do so is to buy them cheap and progress them, once they're at that level however, the wage they can command simply outgrown what we can afford at this point.

The ambition route you spoke of simply isn't feasible without an owner who is not only capable of putting together a bright enough team to identify these talents but daft enough to then write of well over 8 figures per season in the championship, and its the club that would be at risk.

What happens if they identify duds is the same thing that happened to the club prior to current hierarchy, we can either lose copious amount of cash to try and fail to rectify mistakes or drop, but thats their job and how they are set up.

I know its not particularly romantic or great for a fan turning up every week seeing players leave, but its a sound plan.
 
Now let’s say they didn’t make that 15 million profit but instead invested some more good quality merchandise, this merchandise grew this business to say a higher division making more profit in the long run? Would a good business not do that.

Speculate to accumulate.
It’s minimising risk. Stewart and Roberts don’t guarantee promotion and would command more outgoings. I take your point but it’s a risk and we’ve seen where that has taken us in the past.
Working for KLD'S bank balance that's for sure.
You cant honestly believe that?
 
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So at the moment the replacement for Stewart is a 20 year old rookie who has played a about 90 minutes of competetive football in his life and has been completely bullied out of gamesand never scored a goal & the replacement for Roberts, can't cross a ball, tackle, shoot of pick out a pass

Yep its working
bs panic shite posts like this are what pisses me off. It’s entirely feasible that the Stewart deal had to be done ( he wanted away and refused every offer we made ) to release funds , we will likely have already agreed a deal for a striker and now it can go through. All the shit the club are getting from young fans with short memories is pathetic. Let’s see who we sign today .
 
It’s minimising risk. Stewart and Roberts don’t guarantee promotion and would command more outgoings. I take your point but it’s a risk and we’ve seen where that has taken us in the past.

You cant honestly believe that?
I'm reserving judgement until I see what KLD does today.
 
Even the very biggest clubs in the world have to trade their best players.

Bayern Munich lost lewandowski.
Barca lost messi and neymar.
Man united lost Ronaldo.
Etc etc etc

That’s just the way it is. All you can do is try to replace them and move on.
They 'lost' those players whilst being at the top of their respective leagues.
Sunderland are in the 2nd Division.
 
Sorry but a good business model does not turn down £15m in profit now when they could potentially get £0 in 9 months time.
No one is disputing this. However what gets everyone annoyed is we all knew this was going to happen but no replacement bought in.
Typical Sunderland we sell in a day but take months to buy. Everyone knows we are desperate for players now so expect a nail biting end to the window where we pay over the odds for mediocrity or don’t manage to get anyone in with a “we tried” response from the club:
 
It has always been made clear, many times, that losing players is something that we must get used to and that there is nothing to worry about because there is always a plan of succession in place. The model is designed with sustainability in mind and we have been told that succession planning is in place for when members of staff move on which will enable us to continue to progress despite the prospect of a high churn of key staff and players. In fairness we have already seen it in action and it delivered when Alex Neil unexpectedly left to join Stoke. In previous years, that would have prompted immediate crisis but succession planning kicked in, Tony Mowbray was quickly appointed and we carried on with minimum disruption to enjoy a season that exceeded all expectations following promotion. I know that it is a lot easier when it comes to appointing a new Head Coach, particularly one who was out of work at the time and living on our doorstep, than it is to replace departing players and getting deals done particularly at this late stage of the window is going to be a real challenge for Speakman and the recruitment team. The way we have recruited has rightly bought Speakman trust and time but it will be interesting to see how much faith and patience supporters will have in this approach moving forward and I feel that this could be a really seminal day.
Minimum disruption? We didn't have a single striker for 75% of the season man
 
But surely you only do that if you replace him and have that replacement bought and ready to hit the ground running?

Not scratting about on the final day despite having the 9 months you quite rightly say he’s been unfit for.

This isn’t fans being impatient and ‘short termism’. It’s us clearly seeing the damage being done and all the hard work of last season gone.
Last seasons care free optimism is a distant memory at the moment. I’m still hoping today brings some positives.
They 'lost' those players whilst being at the top of their respective leagues.
Sunderland are in the 2nd Division.
it’s all relative. Arsenal losing van Persie / spurs losing kane. Listen to top 6 fans on talk sport bemoaning their hard luck. Pretty much every fan base has to put up with losing the cream of their squad at one time or another.

One of the biggest problems is that we over achieved expectation last season by a distance. Things appear to be evening out now and it’s like a balloons been popped.
 
So, our success is now based on buying players cheap in the hope we can make a profit on them and not on ambition to win trophies and/or promotion?

What happens if we have a succession of players who don't make the grade and turn out to be duds?

As another poster pointed out, now that we show what our 'model' is, clubs will ensure there's a healthy sell on clause for them.

I'm not disagreeing or arguing with anyone's points, but the reality is we have players like LND, Roberts, Clarke, Ekwah etc only until someone stumps up cash for them. I want to see them play for us, without knowing the plan is to sell them for a quick profit rather than build a team around them.
Yep. Tbh. We shouldn’t have even been told about the model. Just Run the club to be at its best position wise and strive for the premier league. I don’t think one fan would moan about last seasons overall performance and finishing position. Instead it’s now …:::.don’t do overly well as they’ll be sold at the first opportunity: no team like it in British football (BRIGHTON model my arse)
 
If the model is to sell our best players and replace them with inferior players who may or may not improve over time, I don't think the model does work.

At this moment in time, we are weaker than last season as we have not replaced Amad. Of those that have come in, only Bellingham looks a regular starter and he is a 17 year old with 8 first team starts prior to this season.

Come the end of today, we could have lost Stewart, Clarke, Pritchard, Roberts and Gooch and none of the replacements mooted have any track record in the English leagues with the exception of Cannon.

We might have a model, but weakening your playing squad every window will soon see it fail as we drop down the league and become a less attractive proposition to young, talented players. Do you think Bellingham would have signed for us if we finished 14th last season?
 
If the model is to sell our best players and replace them with inferior players who may or may not improve over time, I don't think the model does work.

At this moment in time, we are weaker than last season as we have not replaced Amad. Of those that have come in, only Bellingham looks a regular starter and he is a 17 year old with 8 first team starts prior to this season.

Come the end of today, we could have lost Stewart, Clarke, Pritchard, Roberts and Gooch and none of the replacements mooted have any track record in the English leagues with the exception of Cannon.

We might have a model, but weakening your playing squad every window will soon see it fail as we drop down the league and become a less attractive proposition to young, talented players. Do you think Bellingham would have signed for us if we finished 14th last season?
Said exactly the same myself earlier in the thread
 

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