The main reason we will go down


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Putting lack of quality, injuries and shopping at pensioners/crocks r'us is the miracles of previous seasons. Players have a mistaken belief that they can turn it on for latter part of the season. I pray but doubt it this season. In most games thus far we have been outfought or outplayed. Please please shove this back in my face at the end of the season if I'm wrong. I would be delighted!
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We had spirited teams for the last few games the 3 years before that yet still turned to dog shit in the new season. Allardyce only kept us up because the mags fucked it up against Norwich and Villa.

Well said... :cool: but BSA is/was the messiah IIRC.... :rolleyes: this board is great at changing facts just to suit individual posters agenda's...! :lol:
 
years of panic buys that scrape us over the line but then weigh us down ..

this is the year we go lads , try not to get too upset about it
 
Don't agree, look at what Hull's manager did in January with no budget and losing 2 of his best players

Moyes has wasted every penny.



We've spent more this year than we did in previous years.

Main reason we are going down is David Moyes.

That's a failure to understand basic football finance if ever i've heard it. If you are given 30 million to spend in transfer fees but have a squad 8 players short AND have to cut the wage bill by a third meaning you cant attract top end players. You dont really have more money to spend than previously.

Have you? ;)
 
Some of those players in France such as Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Thauvin and Sissoko were bought for big fees and sizeable wages as they were already French international footballers - no comparison. Some of their other French players were just shit anyway.

You are missing the point. Its the clubs policy not Moyes'- your argument is with the board. If you have to reduce the wage bill massively and develop players for resale you are in a completely different market.
If it's club policy then why sign Lescott, Pienaar, Gibson and Victor. I would say they were ones for the future. You could also add Papy to that list he's no spring chicken aswell and we will get nowhere near our money back on him. Mika is another one, an undisclosed fee paid for him and you can bet your bottom dollar he will be released when his contract is up.

Out of the 13 players signed by Moyes only 3 worry permanent signings 22 or under, NDong, McNair and Love and we will not make any profit on those.

Very poor from Moyes.

You look at the likes of Yedlin and Nathan Redmond, young players who would fit the mould. We should have went for them
 
If it's club policy then why sign Lescott, Pienaar, Gibson and Victor. I would say they were ones for the future. You could also add Papy to that list he's no spring chicken aswell and we will get nowhere near our money back on him. Mika is another one, an undisclosed fee paid for him and you can bet your bottom dollar he will be released when his contract is up.

Out of the 13 players signed by Moyes only 3 worry permanent signings 22 or under, NDong, McNair and Love and we will not make any profit on those.

Very poor from Moyes.

You look at the likes of Yedlin and Nathan Redmond, young players who would fit the mould. We should have went for them

Yedlin fair enough hes an improvement but its hardly a deal breaker. With Yedlin in the side instead of Billy Jones I imagine we would be still bottom on the same points. However to think in our position we could attract Redmond ahead of Southampton or West Ham for 10 mill and 50k per week is living in cloud cuckoo land. People fundamentally fail to understand who we are capable of affording or attracting.
 
Everton were nowhere near the clusterfuck that he has inherited here. Plus he had 11 years or something to do a relatively good job there. He's only 8 or 9 months in here man. People have wanted the bloke out after 2 games ffs.
He did not inherit a clusterfuck here he had created it. He took over a team which only lost 3 games in 2016. Instead of building on it we 3 or 4 quality players he brought in 13 who mainly aren't fit for purpose

Yedlin fair enough hes an improvement but its hardly a deal breaker. With Yedlin in the side instead of Billy Jones I imagine we would be still bottom on the same points. However to think in our position we could attract Redmond ahead of Southampton or West Ham for 10 mill and 50k per week is living in cloud cuckoo land. People fundamentally fail to understand who we are capable of affording or attracting.
Redmond would of been a perfectly realistic target and would Brady. Both from a relegated team

Looking at our position now you could see why they wouldn't come here but in the summer we were looking up we finished the season so strong. Moyes changed that though after only 2 games.
 
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Well said... :cool: but BSA is/was the messiah IIRC.... :rolleyes: this board is great at changing facts just to suit individual posters agenda's...! :lol:

We had 39 points, that would have kept us up 9 seasons out of every 10. We also played kids the last game. If we won that we would have had 41 points which no team has ever gone down with.

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The main reason it looks likely, although not guaranteed, we will go down is that we haven't got a good enough team. Bar one or two games that only time we have looked like an effective team is when Vic was playing and we could go more direct

Other than that we have looked like a group of players running about and trying hard with no real intelligence or plan. If we didn't have Defoe we'd probably be down already

I find it astonishing that we didn't bring in a target man type striker in Jan, bringing one in so we can go from front to back quickly would of given us a decent chance of getting out of it but now I just can't see it at all
 
He did not inherit a clusterfuck here he had created it. He took over a team which only lost 3 games in 2016. Instead of building on it we 3 or 4 quality players he brought in 13 who mainly aren't fit for purpose


Redmond would of been a perfectly realistic target and would Brady. Both from a relegated team

Looking at our position now you could see why they wouldn't come here but in the summer we were looking up we finished the season so strong. Moyes changed that though after only 2 games.

He inherited a team in disarray. Forget the season before. The manager had buggered off leaving us in a mess. It wouldn't have been a mess if he had stayed because we would have had that continuity. But because he left. Kone was a disgrace. Kaboul wanted to leave...whether we should have forced him to stay is another matter. Mvila was gone and not coming back (can't believe people still support him and blame Moyes for him not coming). Borini, Cattermole, Kirchoff, Watmore suffered long term injuries. Khazri (who knows but the fact is he came back overweight and seemingly uninterested). Add in the financial mess our wonderful chairman has got us into. I don't know how this can all just be brushed aside because people don't like Moyes grumpy Scots demeanor. He's made mistakes of course he has and I bet he would have done things differently but to paint this rosy picture of what he walked into is not right.
 
Ellis Short is the main reason by a mile. People saying Moyes are f***ing idiots.
If it was just this season I would agree with blaming Moyes 100%, however he's not responsible for the previous seasons f***ing awful starts. People should be looking at why a succession of managers have started off so f***ing terribly before being pedalled, not just blaming the latest one for another dross season.
 
We are screwed in part due to finance but IMO mainly because we are so unattractive a club to come and play for. We can't get value for money in the market if we can attract players at all and that means we end up paying over the odds prices and wages for players who aren't good enough and often are too old and on their way out of the game. It's a huge factor and puts us at a massive disadvantage. It's obviously not the only problem by far, and Moyes mannerisms and interviews have been utterly abject and demoralising, but if you are unable to attract the right players at the right prices you are always going to struggle.
 
He inherited a team in disarray. Forget the season before. The manager had buggered off leaving us in a mess. It wouldn't have been a mess if he had stayed because we would have had that continuity. But because he left. Kone was a disgrace. Kaboul wanted to leave...whether we should have forced him to stay is another matter. Mvila was gone and not coming back (can't believe people still support him and blame Moyes for him not coming). Borini, Cattermole, Kirchoff, Watmore suffered long term injuries. Khazri (who knows but the fact is he came back overweight and seemingly uninterested). Add in the financial mess our wonderful chairman has got us into. I don't know how this can all just be brushed aside because people don't like Moyes grumpy Scots demeanor. He's made mistakes of course he has and I bet he would have done things differently but to paint this rosy picture of what he walked into is not right.

He inherited the same situation as Sam left. He has made a total mess of it. How anyone can defend Moyes is beyond me.
 
He inherited the same situation as Sam left. He has made a total mess of it. How anyone can defend Moyes is beyond me.
Had a fully fit Cattermole and Kirchoff did he? Mvila? Kone playing out of his skin on the dubious promise of a massive wedge? Rumours are Sam was off anyway regardless of England. I wonder why when everything was so tickety boo?
 
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