The main reason we will go down


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Moyes is a poor manager.



Sam sold Pants, shipped out Fletcher and Graham on loan to free up wages and spent £13M net. Brought in 3 players and one on loan.

We didn't need 9 players, a minimum 6 but not 9. We still had 9 players from last seasons first team. Moyes sold Kaboul.

We didn't need to sign Love and McNair, waste of £5M on '2 for the future'. McNair couldn't get a game ahead of Gooch, Love a game ahead Jones. Own own kids could have made up the bench.

Moyes is a fuck up. A very experienced and very well paid fuck up.

I'm sorry but we did. If not Love and McNair other players on 10 to 20k per week as part of his remit is to get a collectively younger squad of players to bring the wage bill down and hopefully improve them as players over time to get resale. McNair and Love fit into that category to go alongside the likes of Gooch,Watmore, Pickford etc. People need to wake up man, the whole landscapes changed. another manager might have bough a better 'Love and McNair' but he would have been bringing players in in that bracket.
 
BSA had fit Kirchoff.
Moyes had crocked Kirchoff.
BSA had fit Cattermole.
Moyes had crocked Cattermole.
BSA had motivated Khazri.
Moyes has overweight Khazri.
BSA had money motivated Kone.
Moyes had pissed off want to leave Kone.
BSA had Mvila.
Moyes didn't.
BSA had on form Borini.
Moyes had badly out of form Borini.

That will and did completely turn a good team into a shit one overnight.
Shorts appointment of a failed manager who could not build on what Big Sam had left, Moyes being negative from day one and for a manager who spends time watching football & could not identify quality & was prepared to sign dross tells you all you need to know.
 
One word ... recruitment from the top down . root cause of all of our problems on and off the field

This.. and would like to add, the whole issue with the academy not producing good quality young players, to get into the first team over time, to play in the premiership, i can only name 3, Henderson Colback and Pickford, so since 2003ish, 3 players that isn't good enough
 
Putting lack of quality, injuries and shopping at pensioners/crocks r'us is the miracles of previous seasons. Players have a mistaken belief that they can turn it on for latter part of the season. I pray but doubt it this season. In most games thus far we have been outfought or outplayed. Please please shove this back in my face at the end of the season if I'm wrong. I would be delighted!
If we can get Kirchoff and Anichebe fit for the rest of the season, its still completely possible to stay up. But your points are very valid - we need to change the strategy. The amount of money we waste paying players who can't play because "they're really good when fit" has been our ultimate downfall.
We need a team of fit, hungry younger lads. They might not be as talented, but they'll be ready to play every week. First choice players rather then 2nd and 3rd. So, on average, you'd actually have a better level of players on the pitch after all.
 
BSA had fit Kirchoff.
Moyes had crocked Kirchoff.
BSA had fit Cattermole.
Moyes had crocked Cattermole.
BSA had motivated Khazri.
Moyes has overweight Khazri.
BSA had money motivated Kone.
Moyes had pissed off want to leave Kone.
BSA had Mvila.
Moyes didn't.
BSA had on form Borini.
Moyes had badly out of form Borini.

That will and did completely turn a good team into a shit one overnight.
and the common denominator MOYES.
 
BSA had fit Kirchoff.
Moyes had crocked Kirchoff.
BSA had fit Cattermole.
Moyes had crocked Cattermole.
BSA had motivated Khazri.
Moyes has overweight Khazri.
BSA had money motivated Kone.
Moyes had pissed off want to leave Kone.
BSA had Mvila.
Moyes didn't.
BSA had on form Borini.
Moyes had badly out of form Borini.

That will and did completely turn a good team into a shit one overnight.


BSA had a clue
Moyes didn't.

There's another one for your list.
 
Borini hasnt just become dogshit overnight.. this is down to leadership, Moyes wont play Khazri for whatever reason.. he hasnt turned to dogshit overnight, and hes not overweight..he could of bought mvilla back, he didnt, his choice.. the man is a fcking tit man
Unfortunately we couldn't afford to pay the money they wanted up front for m'vila.
 
We haven't had enough quality on the pitch for the vast majority of the season.

I still maintain that a reasonably fit squad bar usual niggles & suspensions would have been good enough to scrape 17th.

But there have been long periods this season with a woeful midfield out week after week and you don't get very far in the premier league with extremely poor midfielders.

Chances are we'd be in a better position now had we gone down under PDC and appointed a new manager that summer :neutral:

The same could be said for any of the last 4 or 5 seasons in my opinion.

But that's the beauty of hindsight. I would never have believed it at the time that we could somehow worsen our position the longer we remained in the premier league.
 
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We haven't had enough quality on the pitch for the vast majority of the season.

I still maintain that a reasonably fit squad bar usual niggles & suspensions would have been good enough to scrape 17th.

But there have been long periods this season with a woeful midfield out week after week and you don't get very far in the premier league with extremely poor midfielders.

well its because without that protection, its pressure on the back four all the time, i think if Lee Cattermole was fit for instance, i could see him, N Dong and maybe Gibson making a good 3 man midfield, then you could push the wide men higher up to support defoe,
 
well its because without that protection, its pressure on the back four all the time, i think if Lee Cattermole was fit for instance, i could see him, N Dong and maybe Gibson making a good 3 man midfield, then you could push the wide men higher up to support defoe,
Gibson is just another journeyman we have signed. He asked to bebrought off at half time v City. Says it all about his fight for the cause. Mcnair played on with ruptured ligaments for a long time and never once asked to come off.
 
I'm sorry but we did. If not Love and McNair other players on 10 to 20k per week as part of his remit is to get a collectively younger squad of players to bring the wage bill down and hopefully improve them as players over time to get resale. McNair and Love fit into that category to go alongside the likes of Gooch,Watmore, Pickford etc. People need to wake up man, the whole landscapes changed. another manager might have bough a better 'Love and McNair' but he would have been bringing players in in that bracket.

We've been down this route before. The mags had this policy but they scouted players in France who were ready for the first team, not Man Utd under 23's who quite simply will never be good enough IMO.

The pair of them may carve out careers and feel free to bump but it won't be at any great level, Championship at best would be my guess.

It's the similar patern for the vast majority of Moyes signings. Players he has knowledge of from ex clubs who are generally poor buys or experienced players who are poor buys.

3 loan signings and shit to a man. Denayer might make it but he's not good enough for the here and now. Even Di Fanti brought in Ki and Borini on loan. f***ing Di Fanti!

Only Oviedo is fit for purpose out of Moyes buys. Experience player, decent quality and fit and likely to remain that way.
 
We've been down this route before. The mags had this policy but they scouted players in France who were ready for the first team, not Man Utd under 23's who quite simply will never be good enough IMO.

The pair of them may carve out careers and feel free to bump but it won't be at any great level, Championship at best would be my guess.

It's the similar patern for the vast majority of Moyes signings. Players he has knowledge of from ex clubs who are generally poor buys or experienced players who are poor buys.

3 loan signings and shit to a man. Denayer might make it but he's not good enough for the here and now. Even Di Fanti brought in Ki and Borini on loan. f***ing Di Fanti!

Only Oviedo is fit for purpose out of Moyes buys. Experience player, decent quality and fit and likely to remain that way.
Depressing stuff!:lol:
 
I think there is no main reason. That's why there are daily threads like this. It's going to be even worse if/when it's confirmed.

Everyone has a different view on 'the main reason'

But it's probably a mixture of

1) overspent in previous years.
2) the squad was nothing special anyway hence the constant relegation battles.
3) The club have called it a day on the overspending and we have moved from generally average at best signings and odd bit of quality to several simply not good enough signings or signings that need a year or two to find their feet in this league
4) It's been a bad year for injuries taking away what 'quality' we had.
5) owner wants to sell, which always disrupts a club when it happens.

That is my list but of course there are several that say it's only actually Moyes that is the problem and if we had a better manager 1-5 wouldn't matter and we would stay up.
 
Depressing stuff!:lol:

It doesn't make great reading. I don't know how anyone can read that and think, hmmm let's give £50K a week, vastly experienced Dave a bit more time. It was a hard job but he had all the credentials to make a go of it.

Instead he's a been a total distaster from start to hopefully his finish very soon.
 
We've been down this route before. The mags had this policy but they scouted players in France who were ready for the first team, not Man Utd under 23's who quite simply will never be good enough IMO.

The pair of them may carve out careers and feel free to bump but it won't be at any great level, Championship at best would be my guess.

It's the similar patern for the vast majority of Moyes signings. Players he has knowledge of from ex clubs who are generally poor buys or experienced players who are poor buys.

3 loan signings and shit to a man. Denayer might make it but he's not good enough for the here and now. Even Di Fanti brought in Ki and Borini on loan. f***ing Di Fanti!

Only Oviedo is fit for purpose out of Moyes buys. Experience player, decent quality and fit and likely to remain that way.

Some of those players in France such as Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Thauvin and Sissoko were bought for big fees and sizeable wages as they were already French international footballers - no comparison. Some of their other French players were just shit anyway.

You are missing the point. Its the clubs policy not Moyes'- your argument is with the board. If you have to reduce the wage bill massively and develop players for resale you are in a completely different market.
 
I think there is no main reason. That's why there are daily threads like this. It's going to be even worse if/when it's confirmed.

Everyone has a different view on 'the main reason'

But it's probably a mixture of

1) overspent in previous years.
2) the squad was nothing special anyway hence the constant relegation battles.
3) The club have called it a day on the overspending and we have moved from generally average at best signings and odd bit of quality to several simply not good enough signings or signings that need a year or two to find their feet in this league
4) It's been a bad year for injuries taking away what 'quality' we had.
5) owner wants to sell, which always disrupts a club when it happens.

That is my list but of course there are several that say it's only actually Moyes that is the problem and if we had a better manager 1-5 wouldn't matter and we would stay up.

Nobody is blaming Moyes for everything but:

Sell Kaboul, try to replace with experienced kids
Buy 10 players not one fit for purpose on the day they signed
Poorly organise and motivate the team
Only Pickford has improved under Moyes and he only got a game due to injury

That makes desperate reading for a vastly experienced manager asked to do a job not to dissimilar to his previous role.

Some of those players in France such as Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Thauvin and Sissoko were bought for big fees and sizeable wages as they were already French international footballers - no comparison. Some of their other French players were just shit anyway.

You are missing the point. Its the clubs policy not Moyes'- your argument is with the board. If you have to reduce the wage bill massively and develop players for resale you are in a completely different market.

Ben Arfa only cost the mags £2M, he was a waster who his club wanted shot of.

So what exactly did Moyed do? Think oh they want a couple of players for the future. I'm sure someone told me there was a couple of lads at Man Utd available and I don't recall them being much kop but it might shut Bains up for a bit...
 
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Nobody is blaming Moyes for everything but:

Sell Kaboul, try to replace with experienced kids
Buy 10 players not one fit for purpose on the day they signed
Poorly organise and motivate the team
Only Pickford has improved under Moyes and he only got a game due to injury

That makes desperate reading for a vastly experienced manager asked to do a job not to dissimilar to his previous role.



So what exactly did Moyed do? Think oh they want a couple of players for the future. I'm sure someone told me there was a couple of lads at Man Utd available and I don't recall them being much kop but it might shut Bains up for a bit...

No - he bought a couple of players for a combined wage of 25k per week and a combined fee of 5 million. I would imagine he would have expected to play them in the cups and occasionally in the league, more often as the season went on perhaps. He would have expected McNair would have been useful at times playing alongside Cattermole, Kirchhoff etc and would maybe develop into a decent player on low wages.
 
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