The Last Dance - Netflix

interesting about trades for drafting players. Never knew that. I really like the draft system ( granted limited knowledge.)

You say though you don’t have an issue with getting in at 1am before a 7pm game, imagine though that was this country and your team was playing night match and it turns out your star player had been out night before, there’d be hell on man !!

It is slightly different in that they'll be playing several games a week compared to two at the most in football. There was hell on after he was out and they got beat anyway!
 


It is slightly different in that they'll be playing several games a week compared to two at the most in football. There was hell on after he was out and they got beat anyway!

It’s a funny one for me because he’s clearly one of the most driven sportsman there’s been. A win at all costs type of bloke, but Some of his actions defy his own values.
Maybe it was an arrogance / self believe where he believed he could stay out late / eat pizzas / smoke cigars and still be totally on his game but it does ask the question ( to me ) how much even better could he have been ??
 
Only got a few episodes to go, really enjoyed it so far although found the constant stuff re: Jordan and his popularity a bit grating in the first 4-5 episodes, it just seemed to pop up randomly in episodes e.g the Pippen and Rodman ones when I’d rather see more about them instead. We all know how big he was back then.

On a side note, Magic Johnson comes across really well in this. Seems like a nice guy.
 
It’s a funny one for me because he’s clearly one of the most driven sportsman there’s been. A win at all costs type of bloke, but Some of his actions defy his own values.
Maybe it was an arrogance / self believe where he believed he could stay out late / eat pizzas / smoke cigars and still be totally on his game but it does ask the question ( to me ) how much even better could he have been ??

The cigars definitely stood out for me as being not right since they all seem to be at it constantly. By the time they hit 91 though, I think it was the quality of competition limiting it as much as anything - he could win the championship in every full year he played while still doing all the stuff you list (not to take away from how good some of those teams were, they just weren't good enough). Either way, still a million miles better than the 'Chicago Bulls travelling cocaine circus' he joined in 84!
Only got a few episodes to go, really enjoyed it so far although found the constant stuff re: Jordan and his popularity a bit grating in the first 4-5 episodes, it just seemed to pop up randomly in episodes e.g the Pippen and Rodman ones when I’d rather see more about them instead. We all know how big he was back then.

On a side note, Magic Johnson comes across really well in this. Seems like a nice guy.

Agree it would have been good to get a bit more detail on some of the other players but I guess when you've got a once in a lifetime opportunity to do an in depth series on one of the most famous/popular sportspeople of all time you're going to focus in on that angle.
 
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The cigars definitely stood out for me as being not right since they all seem to be at it constantly. By the time they hit 91 though, I think it was the quality of competition limiting it as much as anything - he could win the championship in every full year he played while still doing all the stuff you list (not to take away from how good some of those teams were, they just weren't good enough). Either way, still a million miles better than the 'Chicago Bulls travelling cocaine circus' he joined in 84!

Loved the stories of when he joined in 84 and went to the hotel room to find all manners of shenanigans going on.

i suppose aswell, like most sports diet etc didn’t really come into play and become highly significant until after early 90’s. Footballers were still downing the beers at the same time here.

In a way I’m gutted now that I’ve seen all 10 as will massively miss watching it. The best sports documentary I’ve ever seen.
 
Loved the stories of when he joined in 84 and went to the hotel room to find all manners of shenanigans going on.

i suppose aswell, like most sports diet etc didn’t really come into play and become highly significant until after early 90’s. Footballers were still downing the beers at the same time here.

In a way I’m gutted now that I’ve seen all 10 as will massively miss watching it. The best sports documentary I’ve ever seen.

Yeah, now you say it, I suppose full on sports science didn't really kick in football until around 2000.

Makes me want to go and watch some of the games. Used to watch the highlights on Channel 4 but was too young to have picked up any of the off-court stuff that was going on. Obviously they've only chosen the best action for the doc but some of those plays are absolutely insane.
 
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interesting about trades for drafting players. Never knew that. I really like the draft system ( granted limited knowledge.)

You say though you don’t have an issue with getting in at 1am before a 7pm game, imagine though that was this country and your team was playing night match and it turns out your star player had been out night before, there’d be hell on man !!
Only if pissed or covering themselves in 50s
 
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Re the comments about all the cigar smoking - I’ve just watched the All or Nothing fly on the wall series following the Caroline Panthers American Football team. Cam Newton, the star quarterback, has a cigar room in his house and is often seen smoking on screen
 
Yeah, now you say it, I suppose full on sports science didn't really kick in football until around 2000.

Makes me want to go and watch some of the games. Used to watch the highlights on Channel 4 but was too young to have picked up any of the off-court stuff that was going on. Obviously they've only chosen the best action for the doc but some of those plays are absolutely insane.

Was a perfect song to end the series with.
 
Good point, yeah it would be hard to do a draft in football where it’s such a global sport.
Also didn’t look at it as a socialist point but again it’s a very good point.
out of interest, can a college student refuse a draft and hold out for a different club or is that your chance ??
Happened in Ice Hockey in the 1990s. The Quebec Nordiques were utter dogshit. They picked Eric Lindros (tipped to be the next Wayne Gretzky). He flat out refused to sign for them and sat out an entire season. They eventually traded him to Philidelphia for 6 players, two first round draft picks and some cash! Essentially turned the franchise round and they won the Stanley Cup (all be it after they moved and became Colorado Avalanche) a few years later.
I f***ing love a sports documentary
Ice Guardians on Netflix is good. It's about enforcers on Ice Hockey teams.
 
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One of the best documentary series I've ever watched. Top three easy. Got no interest in basketball and found myself completely transfixed every minute it was on. What a brilliant story and perfectly made. Jordan deserves to be widely regarded as the greatest sportsman of all time.

Likewise loved every minute, gutted it’s finished. I’d say it’s the best sports doc I’ve seen. I used to dismiss American sports due to not many other countries taking them seriously but I now definitely look at them differently.
in terms of greatest I’d only put Ali, Woods and Bolt Agra’s of him.
 
I presume it’s an American thing but the NBA players get away with murder compared to say here. I’ve watched all 10 episodes ( best sports doc I’ve seen ) and you’ve had Rodman fuck off to Vegas / wrestling, Jordan in casinos till after midnight night before game and also getting dodgy pizza deliveries night before massive games. They get away with murder !! Never get away with that in football.

EDIT. that’s before the hundreds of cigars he gets through !


ive no idea about the politics, workings of NBA teams but I’ll never understand why you would just dismantle that team !?
Think a few of them were due big pay days. Pippen was criminaliy underpaid. I assume its the same as other American sports and they have a pay cap. Probably couldn't afford to pay them all.
Only got a few episodes to go, really enjoyed it so far although found the constant stuff re: Jordan and his popularity a bit grating in the first 4-5 episodes, it just seemed to pop up randomly in episodes e.g the Pippen and Rodman ones when I’d rather see more about them instead. We all know how big he was back then.

On a side note, Magic Johnson comes across really well in this. Seems like a nice guy.
Thought it was classy the player (can't remember if it was Malone or Barkley) coming on the bus to congratulate them all when they'd just beaten his team to win the finals.
 
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Think a few of them were due big pay days. Pippen was criminaliy underpaid. I assume its the same as other American sports and they have a pay cap. Probably couldn't afford to pay them all.
Pippen chose the long contract. He could’ve held out for more. Not the owners fault there
 

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