The Johnson problem


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It was a terrible result for you today but that kind of Billy Big Bollocks view won’t help you and I’m surprised it still exists after you’ve been in L1 for so long.

We had a similar ’entitlement’ view when we dropped to the Conference and it wasn’t until Chris Wilder came in halfway through our third season down there when we were 4th from bottom 🤬 and hammered out a few home truths that it got turned round and we got promotion the following season.

His plan was to buy some of the best players from other Conference clubs and get them to gel rather than any big names from higher levels.

It worked (just) as we sneaked through the play-off route.

Funnily enough Wilder is the fella I would have killed to have here.

But it’s not billy big bollocks stuff mate. This squad is better than most. The manager isn’t good enough to get it performing consistently though.
 
This squad should be beating 99% of the teams we play in this league, so losing 5-1, 1-3, 4-0, 6-0 or 3-0 isn’t acceptable. After games like that we’ll inevitably play some absolute shite and win.

People aren’t jumping up his arse when we ‘win next week’ we all want them to win and rightly enjoy it when they do.

We cannot spend a 5th season stuck in this league man. I want Johnson to take us up, but I can’t see it. 400 games as a manager he’s achieved fuck all, why would that change now? His tactical decisions are mental and the bullshit he spouts is even worse.

He won’t get the sack anytime soon, the board have given him January and like I say we’ll probably win the next 2 or 3.

Apologies for the long thread.
Completely agree mate

It was so obvious from the 20th minute that they would press us and still we continued to try and play out from the back. It doesn't take a genuis to work out if a team are pressing you go over the top and down the channels. Lee Johnson may have a philosophy but he don't have a plan b.
 
Funnily enough Wilder is the fella I would have killed to have here.

But it’s not billy big bollocks stuff mate. This squad is better than most. The manager isn’t good enough to get it performing consistently though.
Yes your squad is better than most but the OP said you should beat 99% of teams in L1, that is BBB stuff albeit I appreciate it might just be their view and not typical of Sunderland fans generally.
 
Completely agree mate

It was so obvious from the 20th minute that they would press us and still we continued to try and play out from the back. It doesn't take a genuis to work out if a team are pressing you go over the top and down the channels. Lee Johnson may have a philosophy but he don't have a plan b.

Spot on.

His Plan A isn’t great either. The players aren’t fighting for him and he pretty much admitted that after the game
 
No mate it’s absolutely shite. That’s why we’re in this position.

The league is shite so after a loss we inevitably play someone hopeless and win.
It’s amazing we’re where we are to be honest. The reason being there are no outstanding teams but our away record is abysmal. Defensively we are an accident waiting to happen. We have one fit striker who must have the heart of a lion to work his socks off then watches as the defence gifts goals to the opposition. It’s just not acceptable.
 
Spot on.

His Plan A isn’t great either. The players aren’t fighting for him and he pretty much admitted that after the game

His plan A isn't great cause there's no plan B so the players have nothing to fall back on or switch up. It's been obvious since pompey away.
 
It’s amazing we’re where we are to be honest. The reason being there are no outstanding teams but our away record is abysmal. Defensively we are an accident waiting to happen. We have one fit striker who must have the heart of a lion to work his socks off then watches as the defence gifts goals to the opposition. It’s just not acceptable.

The worrying thing is Stewart hasn’t picked up a single knock so far this season
 
One of the posts that really sticks with me is when we were forced through injury to play 3 at the back?
Someone said "he's had to play a settled side because he's got no option, let's hope he doesn't revert once everyone's fit?"

And he did - as soon as he had the chance he reverted to playing "his way".

He could see the improvement in the team and results, but he HAD to revert to him "being right".

He really believes he's right, and probably believes if the team doesn't achieve its not because of his tactics and preparation - it's down to the players.

And I assume that's how he thinks because he shows no signs whatsoever of learning from his mistakes - because he doesn't think he's making any mistakes.
Nail on head mate. You’ve got to stick with a winning formula. It’s so frustrating to watch.
The worrying thing is Stewart hasn’t picked up a single knock so far this season
It’s not just injuries to Stewart that may be a problem it’s the motivational aspects of the game. There will come a point where he will think what’s the point, I’ve proved I could score goals at a higher level and be part of a successful club, win trophies and earn more money. Who could blame him?
 
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This squad should be beating 99% of the teams we play in this league, so losing 5-1, 1-3, 4-0, 6-0 or 3-0 isn’t acceptable. After games like that we’ll inevitably play some absolute shite and win.

People aren’t jumping up his arse when we ‘win next week’ we all want them to win and rightly enjoy it when they do.

We cannot spend a 5th season stuck in this league man. I want Johnson to take us up, but I can’t see it. 400 games as a manager he’s achieved fuck all, why would that change now? His tactical decisions are mental and the bullshit he spouts is even worse.

He won’t get the sack anytime soon, the board have given him January and like I say we’ll probably win the next 2 or 3.

Apologies for the long thread.
The subs he made after going down 3-0 is a sackable offence in their own right, absolute arrogance doubling down on his own mistake in setting up for the game
 
We’re falling away again and despite last week are in another run of poor form, in my view caused by defensive frailties caused by his selections and formations. We aren’t as good as he thinks we are so need to be more competitive and he isn’t as good as he thinks he is either.
Exactly what i have thought for a few weeks the manager believes his own hype which rubs off on the players. Too many matches this season where we come up against the so called lesser teams and thinking we just have to turn up expecting to win its totally unprofessional. I am sick of the constant tinkering of players/formations and the lack of clean sheets tells its own story.
 
This season ended today. Nothing to look forward to, its over.

Just have to wait for the next season, new manager and see what we bring in to replace Stewart, Neil etc..

Grim.
 
I think you can excuse a hammering away from home as a one off, even at this level, but in 15 away games we've been smashed in 4, almost 1/3 of them. I'd be amazed if that's the last leathering we get away this season, totally unforgivable.

As people are rightly saying the top 2 is gone, the league table is lying at the minute, we are playing to make the playoffs.
 
Underage girls.
Fuck u on about ??
We’ve been twatted 6-0 today and there’s a thread about our manager and that’s your crack ???

I’ve been drinking since 8 this morning till now, but if I woke up and read that my contribution to a conversation was ‘ underage girls ‘I’d be fuckin embarrassed mate.

I’ve only read page 1 4 and 5 of this so if there is a legitimate reason for u to put that forward as an argument I’ll happily apologise.

My guess is there won’t be though.
 
This squad should be beating 99% of the teams we play in this league, so losing 5-1, 1-3, 4-0, 6-0 or 3-0 isn’t acceptable. After games like that we’ll inevitably play some absolute shite and win.

People aren’t jumping up his arse when we ‘win next week’ we all want them to win and rightly enjoy it when they do.

We cannot spend a 5th season stuck in this league man. I want Johnson to take us up, but I can’t see it. 400 games as a manager he’s achieved fuck all, why would that change now? His tactical decisions are mental and the bullshit he spouts is even worse.

He won’t get the sack anytime soon, the board have given him January and like I say we’ll probably win the next 2 or 3.

Apologies for the long thread.

I stopped reading there. Our left side in particular is on par with an under 20's side. Our right is, and has been makeshift for months and our newly signed centre half is a few minutes into his career here. We have one forward with goal scoring potential. Dajaku and the overhyped "Hoff" are well off the pace. We're miles away.
 
Today lee Johnson went from pretty safe in his Job and full of ego,bravado, swagger, whatever u might call it to crisis for me.

His decision to bring neil and cirkin off to shoehorn gooch into left back was ducking unbelievable.

Any of the players could’ve been and should’ve been dragged at half time. But gooch was possibly the worst along with Doyle today. To keep him on In another position was total madness.

After 5 mins of that game today anyone with half a brain could see Doyle was panicking and we were getting nowhere playing out from the back but Johnson didn’t change a fuxkin thing and kept us doing the same thing that’s cost is at Rotherham sheff wed and numerous other times this season.

We were so disjointed it was embarrassing.

He’s in Big trouble now.
 
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