The happy clappers have had their time


Clapped us out of the PL. Clapped us out of the championship.

Clapped a sunderland fan wishing Charlton fans well in 2019. Clapped them after defeats to Lincoln and Luton in the playoffs.

Critical of any fan who dares to say anything against the club. Defended the ownership after KLD was proven to have lied to the fans (those loans been turned into equity yet?)

It’s time for a bit of pressure on the hierarchy. Time for them to see that it’s not acceptable for SAFC to be plying their trade outside of the PL, and their loyal and numerous fans will not accept anything else.

This doesn’t mean change of manager, change of ownership or change of the overall business plan.

It means that our longest spell outside of the PL in history, or hoping to “find form” going into a playoff campaign, isn’t young to be accepted as acceptable.

6 times champions of England, 2 time FA cup winners, 10th in the overall top flight table, let’s start acting like it. Owners, directors, coaches, players & fans. What we’re currently seeing isn’t good enough and it’s incumbent on us all to sort the fucker out.

Let’s prutest of stage a boycoutt!
 
We had parachute payments once. We allowed a couple of charlatans to buy the club with them.

A lot of people were drawn in by their bullshit.

The first year of parachute payments (the biggest) was before Donald had even heard of Sunderland. None of that went on players; it repaid the debt (as did the £25m - that ended up with SBG as well, witjh a clear paper trail).
 
Fair enough you added ‘in your opinion’ at the end, because I personally disagree. Your support is admirable by the way, I take me hat off to anyone who attends. However, just because some clapped a team off doesn’t mean we aren’t ambitious or demand more. We’ve gone through managers like tap water in recent years and pretty much all that bar Mowbray has been fan led, which suggests we’re quick to shout up when it’s shite. The very fact we turn up in the numbers we do home and away as well demonstrates just how much we want this club to succeed. Pound for pound we’re the loyalist fanbase there is and that’s our identity imo.

What should we do then? We’ve had fans vote with their feet when things have gone seriously tits up. What more should we do? Shout at shops?
I don’t see any abuse towards the powers that be at the games after that carry on
They should have been in no doubt what the supporters feelings were
As a fan base we are too accepting
 
I know many disagree with me on here, and I’m fine with that. I don’t come on as a WUM, despite many posters attempts to portray me as such.

I genuinely, passionately and feverishly despise seeing SAFC out of the PL. If we get there, and I’ve said this before, you will not see me complaining.

All I want is to see the club get back to where I think we belong, and I will argue till I’m blue in the face with anyone who disagrees.

I’d also buy that person a pint, because they’re a sunderland fan and I think sunderland fans are salt of the earth, whether they agree with me or not.
You're opinions are just as good as anyone else on this board mate. You show passion, I agree with alot you are saying tbh. 👍
 
Fair enough you added ‘in your opinion’ at the end, because I personally disagree. Your support is admirable by the way, I take me hat off to anyone who attends. However, just because some clapped a team off doesn’t mean we aren’t ambitious or demand more. We’ve gone through managers like tap water in recent years and pretty much all that bar Mowbray has been fan led, which suggests we’re quick to shout up when it’s shite. The very fact we turn up in the numbers we do home and away as well demonstrates just how much we want this club to succeed. Pound for pound we’re the loyalist fanbase there is and that’s our identity imo.

And I appreciate your kindness (if that’s what it’s meant as), but more importantly your honesty. I also appreciate that you’ve read my point and explained why you disagree. I love this board when people debate and post reasoned counter arguments, which I’ve been known not to do.

I agree, we are unbelievably loyal. I would never question the loyalty of our fanbase. I was one of 27k season ticket holders in league one and also gave the club money during Covid to make sure it didn’t go out of business.

What I am questioning is their expectations.
I disagree that people have high ambitions. We limped till the end of last season and whilst we were never likely to go down, people just turned up and clapped them off. There was a fair amount of our support that didn’t think taking 102 days to appoint a head coach was concerning.
The first year of parachute payments (the biggest) was before Donald had even heard of Sunderland. None of that went on players; it repaid the debt (as did the £25m - that ended up with SBG as well, witjh a clear paper trail).

So the club wasn’t bought with parachute payments?
 
Yep have got so sick of hearing. Well we were in League One so don't complain on here.

Apathy is what got us into league one in the first place.

We did absolutely jack shit to protest and complain at Ellis Short and his bumbling approach to running a football club. I still to this day have no idea how Maggie Byrne got the job as our CEO.

We spent all that time laughing at the mags protesting all the time at Ashley for them demanding their club to not just be relegation fodder. If we'd have had some fight in us maybe things would have been a bit better.

All the fan groups that have regular conversations with the club now, where the fuck was that when we actually were in the Prem.
Well RAWA wasn't born until 2017, the other groups, i don't know so can't comment.
 
I don’t see any abuse towards the powers that be at the games after that carry on
They should have been in no doubt what the supporters feelings were
As a fan base we are too accepting
What carry on? I’m no KLD choir boy, far from it, but since he’s been here we’ve had an undeniable upward trajectory and went from League One mid table plodders to threatening Premier League promotion. I’d have snapped anyone’s hand off for that after say our second season in League One.
 
Our current owner is a 4 x billionaire, if reports are to believed. Birmingham spent about the same on a striker in league one as we’ve spent on strikers during his tenure. I’d like him to start treating the club with the respect it deserved and stop treating it as a plucky upstart like Brentford or Brighton.

I see going out of our way to congratulate clubs, less than a quarter of our size, as tin pot. You may call it good sportsmanship but I disagree.

I do believe we have far too many fans who are acceptant of our current plight. We are currently in our longest spell outside of the top flight and there seems to be no serious pressure on the club to get back to it. Instead many, in my opinion, go out of their way to make excuses for where we are.

For point 4, see paragraph 1 of my reply.
I'm not a great fan of Dreyfus, he was though the only person who wanted to take us on other than the unwashed fantasist and failed pop company owner. Last season reinforced that. He isn't going to change but I don't see a queue of buyers.

Unfortunately crowd unrest has little impact on ownership these days. The owners are insulated from it, don't live in the locality and haven't got the long emotional connection with the Club.

Getting radgie now when we need to make the most of what has been a big improvement on last season and hopefully get promotion through the play offs isn't realistic

It doesn't matter how few fans a club has, their supporters are as committed as any fan of the biggest and best clubs. It's small minded to be disrespectful of fans from other clubs just because their players on the pitch have beaten ours in an important game. Charlton fans have always been decent.
 
What has location got to do with it ?

You either support Sunderland or you don’t.

You see that there are more important things in life than them winning a trophy or you don’t.

See it for what it is and don’t let it ruin your life.

For the record, I’m from South Shields and hate everything about them, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over today’s result

I was asking the question because I see a clear divide amongst the lads in the WhatsApp and wondered whether it translated onto here.

Maybe that’s the difference, maybe they have more fans who see football and the club as their life, compared with us.
 
I want fans to stop being so accepting of mediocrity. I am sick to the back teeth of reading comments on here, and social media, about the fact we used to be in league one or we finished 16th last season.

None of that should be relevant to the here and now. There’s been 6 transfer windows since we got promoted.
I know where you're coming from. Been out of top league for 8 or 9 years now?

Worst run in our history. However. We could be back next season.
 
What carry on? I’m no KLD choir boy, far from it, but since he’s been here we’ve had an undeniable upward trajectory and went from League One mid table plodders to threatening Premier League promotion. I’d have snapped anyone’s hand off for that after say our second season in League One.
When we decked our home end bar out in their colours & rolled out the red carpet ?
They took the piss o n& off the pitch , it was a fuckin disgrace & KLD & co got off very lightly
 
And I appreciate your kindness (if that’s what it’s meant as), but more importantly your honesty. I also appreciate that you’ve read my point and explained why you disagree. I love this board when people debate and post reasoned counter arguments, which I’ve been known not to do.

I agree, we are unbelievably loyal. I would never question the loyalty of our fanbase. I was one of 27k season ticket holders in league one and also gave the club money during Covid to make sure it didn’t go out of business.

What I am questioning is their expectations.
I disagree that people have high ambitions. We limped till the end of last season and whilst we were never likely to go down, people just turned up and clapped them off. There was a fair amount of our support that didn’t think taking 102 days to appoint a head coach was concerning.


So the club wasn’t bought with parachute payments?
Good post mate, it was genuine kindness and not being funny. We’re the best supporters in the land and I’ll die on that hill any day of the week. We maybe have slightly different views as to what the powers that he should be doing but we both ultimately want the same thing.
 
I know where you're coming from. Been out of top league for 8 or 9 years now?

Worst run in our history. However. We could be back next season.
We won’t be back next season. This is one of the OPs points. A lot of realists know this and it’s because of lack of investment. When we’re not back in the PL next season, 90% of our fans will keep quiet and go again. Only we’ll probably fail again without serious investment. This is his point.
 
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When I talk about clappers, I talk about the fanbase as a whole. Not just those who turned up.

I was there watching us lose on away matches in the checkatrade on a Tuesday night. I’ll always be there. That doesn’t mean I accept it.

In my opinion, too many people are happy to watch 11 lads run around for 95 minutes and go home.

There’s been nowhere near enough pressure on the club since we dropped out the PL. It started with all of our miracle escapes (before I was on here), carried on when podcasts put their own listener numbers above the clubs interests and had carried on ever since.

We’ve lost our identity as a club who should be challenging in the PL. Too many people are happy to beat Portsmouth or Luton, or draw to Plymouth and Preston, and say “the lads did well” - in my opinion.
What a load of self indulgent narcissism. Going on like you are the only one that cares.

Nobody was walking out of those defeats in the league 1 or the checkatrade and were happy about it
Nobody is happy to “watch 11 lads run round and go home”

You are throwing your toys out the pram because they won a trophy, pure and simple.
 
I’ve already posted it. To start, if we aren’t promoted I think every fan should be contacting the official supporters trust (RAWA) letting them know that anything other than promotion won’t be accepted.

That way, they can go to the club with a clear mandate pointing out what the fans want.

They’re very similar to a trade union. They can only act on the will of the membership. When the membership make their viewpoint clear, they can go to the employer (or the club in this case) and present their point.
If they did, if the majority of members wanted a message sent that anything other than promotion is failure then aye, we'd obviously have to represent that to the club.

I don't think people should ever accept any form of mediocrity for safc, but I don't think you'd get many wanting to send such a message though. We can't just ignore the parachute payment issue. Every season there's at least 3 clubs with a huge financial advantage over us. We need to be continually improving the squad, that's likely to be through good player trading, and we should never be happy until we're stabilised back in the top flight, but I don't think demanding immediate promotion is going to help. If we start slipping back, or even stagnating, then more will get on board with that. I don't think we're at that stage yet imo
 
Clapped us out of the PL. Clapped us out of the championship.

Clapped a sunderland fan wishing Charlton fans well in 2019. Clapped them after defeats to Lincoln and Luton in the playoffs.

Critical of any fan who dares to say anything against the club. Defended the ownership after KLD was proven to have lied to the fans (those loans been turned into equity yet?)

It’s time for a bit of pressure on the hierarchy. Time for them to see that it’s not acceptable for SAFC to be plying their trade outside of the PL, and their loyal and numerous fans will not accept anything else.

This doesn’t mean change of manager, change of ownership or change of the overall business plan.

It means that our longest spell outside of the PL in history, or hoping to “find form” going into a playoff campaign, isn’t young to be accepted as acceptable.

6 times champions of England, 2 time FA cup winners, 10th in the overall top flight table, let’s start acting like it. Owners, directors, coaches, players & fans. What we’re currently seeing isn’t good enough and it’s incumbent on us all to sort the fucker out.
Pathetic.
 
I know where you're coming from. Been out of top league for 8 or 9 years now?

Worst run in our history. However. We could be back next season.

I hope to god we are. I am sick of seeing this club rot outside of it.

I see the people in charge of our club, and don’t see anyone desperate to get us promoted.

KLD - Marseille fan. Wants to prove he can run a club.
KS - Derby fan.
Oscar - Liverpool fan.
Dave Jones - On opening the Man U v Leicester programme seemed delighted the mags had won.
DB - the only one who is a genuine sunderland fan. Told me in person he hates seeing mags shirts in Seaburn.
 

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