The happy clappers have had their time


No we shouldn’t I’m merely pointing out that getting promoted will bring another set of problems ask Southampton Ipswich and Leicester
Exactly.
All that going up will change is the goalposts.

Then youve got those saying we’ll lose a generation of fans on one hand, but on the other saying they wouldn’t want plastics like the mags have, and wouldn’t follow us if we were owned by a state.
 
Regardless of them winning a cup or not, we do have a large amount in the fanbase that are happy to see us in mediocrity.

Few fans wanting to protest when we were at our lowest and they were mocked for being Newcastle-esque. Fact is Mike Ashley never took them down to League 1 and asset stripped.
 
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I don’t even like the owners, nor the model, nor most of the decision makers tbh BUT, they are all we’ve got.

Ask yourself why Leeds have been bought 3 times in just the last few years and why all we managed to get where a couple of delboys and then some lads who are using us as a stepping stone.
 
Thing that still winds me up is people’s defence of Ellis Short. He was a catastrophe and last time I checked he’s still a billionaire, yet he’s let off to a large degree because he put a lot of money in. That doesn’t get him a free pass in my book. And when we needed him to front up most he cut things to the bone and we suffered.
 
No we shouldn’t I’m merely pointing out that getting promoted will bring another set of problems ask Southampton Ipswich and Leicester
You can guarantee that the same people moaning that we didn't spend £20m or what have you in January would be complaining just as hard if we did do that, got promoted, spent £50m more, and then still got thumped every other week by your Bournemouths and Brentfords. There's always an 'obvious' solution for whatever problems we're facing to them ("More investment! Sack the manager! Sell the club!"), it basically just boils down to them wanting to have their way all the time regardless of how difficult or unrealistic their way might be. Honestly they'd be so much happier if they just went and supported Real Madrid or something. Or I suppose they probably wouldn't actually, they'd just start melting down when they only win a double instead.
 
Regardless of them winning a cup or not, we do have a large amount in the fanbase that are happy to see us in mediocrity.

Few fans wanting to protest when we were at our lowest and they were mocked for being Newcastle-esque. Fact is Mike Ashley never took them down to League 1 and asset stripped.
Not true. There’s a lot on here who want to protest. Enough to start something anyway. Problem is, none of them can be arsed to do anything themselves other than moan on here.
 
Cirkin/Alese are first and second choice and Alese was ruled out for the season in Jan. Soon as that happened we should have been in for a LB.

Hjelde isn't a good enough player for a side competing to get into the Prem nor is he the prem. So not really much point in playing him, fact he didn't come on at the weekend when Cirkin went off screams volumes.

So we'd surely have been signing someone as second choice, in the knowledge cirkin is a crock and likely they'd be first choice.

We also haven't had a backup RB(that wasn't makeshift in Gooch/Roberts) for 3 seasons?

He wasn't in the match squad, he's out injured.
 
Clapped us out of the PL. Clapped us out of the championship.

Clapped a sunderland fan wishing Charlton fans well in 2019. Clapped them after defeats to Lincoln and Luton in the playoffs.

Critical of any fan who dares to say anything against the club. Defended the ownership after KLD was proven to have lied to the fans (those loans been turned into equity yet?)

It’s time for a bit of pressure on the hierarchy. Time for them to see that it’s not acceptable for SAFC to be plying their trade outside of the PL, and their loyal and numerous fans will not accept anything else.

This doesn’t mean change of manager, change of ownership or change of the overall business plan.

It means that our longest spell outside of the PL in history, or hoping to “find form” going into a playoff campaign, isn’t young to be accepted as acceptable.

6 times champions of England, 2 time FA cup winners, 10th in the overall top flight table, let’s start acting like it. Owners, directors, coaches, players & fans. What we’re currently seeing isn’t good enough and it’s incumbent on us all to sort the fucker out.
Wibble.
 
I don't perhaps agree with how you've worded this, but I get what you're saying. It seems like we've put up with mediocrity and half-arsed attitudes for too long at our club. We've seen the club stagnate whilst others have absolutely thrived. I mean, you look at some of the clubs that have really kicked on and done something ambitious to really better themselves over the last twenty or so years, whilst we've just bobbed up and down, just happy to survive sometimes. Look at Bournemouth, look at Brighton, look at Brentford, look at other clubs that have been in our predicament when they found themselves in League 1 - Leicester, Wolves, Sheffield United.

All of those clubs are now way ahead of us in the pecking order. Look at clubs like Birmingham and Wrexham, who are showing real ambition and will most likely be in the same division as us next season.

Also, think about the big picture. The ones on here tonight that are saying, "Aye, they've spent 500 million just to win a League Cup... Aye, they've spent 500 million and won a League Cup, but do you really think they're going to want to stop at that? Hell, no. And the more sustained success THEY have, the more it's going to effect US, being the closest league club next to them. The more success that they end up with, the more irrelevant we'll end up becoming. Do you really think that if they have a run of success over the next decade or so, that you'll be seeing loads of kids running around the north-east wearing Sunderland tops? If we lose the next generation of fans, we'll become a nothing club. Unsustainable. Destined to scratch around the lower leagues for years, whilst having to put up with that lot dominating, if not nationally, but certainly in this immediate area.

And then what? Irrelevance? Oblivion? You look at clubs like Oldham, who thirty years ago were a Premier League club. But having Man Utd a few miles away, and the way they were dominant in the 90's lured a whole generation of supporters who may have grown up in Oldham, away from their local club, to support a club that was successful, that was ambitious. Where are Oldham now? The National League.

This is the worry for many supporters right now. Them having success up the road can only be a bad thing for our club. And unless the club starts to show a bit of ambition and determination to get us to a level where we could realistically compete, maybe not for silverware, but at least having a go at staying relevant, it's only going to get worse. Rightly or wrongly, label some of us as bedwetters. Call us hysterical. But at the end of the day, a lot of us are very rightly worried for the future of the club.
A tad dramatic.

Oldham were never a big club, and never a well supported club. It's a town in greater Manchester.

Sunderland is a one club city, with a massive support network in the wider County Durham area.

If the worst was to happen, we'd be comparable to City's support in the shadow of Man Utd's era of dominance.




And if any of you fuckers are soft enough to raise little turncoat bastards then you have failed as fathers.
 
You can guarantee that the same people moaning that we didn't spend £20m or what have you in January would be complaining just as hard if we did do that, got promoted, spent £50m more, and then still got thumped every other week by your Bournemouths and Brentfords. There's always an 'obvious' solution for whatever problems we're facing to them ("More investment! Sack the manager! Sell the club!"), it basically just boils down to them wanting to have their way all the time regardless of how difficult or unrealistic their way might be. Honestly they'd be so much happier if they just went and supported Real Madrid or something. Or I suppose they probably wouldn't actually, they'd just start melting down when they only win a double instead.
Unfortunately there is no easy fix in football these days. Few clubs ever win anything and few players and managers also. Even a huge investment and new owners means not a lot because of the money the others have sigh….
 
I think a well managed request to hear the owners long term ambitions and proposed budget would be fair enough if managed correctly by the existing groups.

Folk plough in plenty money following the club allover its fair to question their intentions without looking like spoilt bairns imo.

They certainly seem reluctant for a big push and replacing Stewart with a load of shite for ages still annoys me.
 
I dont know about that, as an adult i've lived in Newcastle in my twenties and now in my 30s back in Sunderland and you get just as much complaining about new developments, the same type of shops opening student accomodation etc in both. The reality is its not the complaining its just that Newcastle has had a lot more investment as a city in the last 20-30 years than Sunderland, you can go into a number of reasons why that is but the boromoter of how many people moan compared to people bigging up there city isnt one of them really. Theres now a bit of investment into Sunderland happening now so perceptions should change hopefully.

Footbal wise, people say we accept mediocrity but what can fans actually do? by and large football clubs are at the whim of the people who own them. I've had a season ticket since i was 9 years old and by and large i havent seen any fan led protest make a change, Newcastle protested Mike Ashley but he didnt budge he only sold because he got a lovely pot of gold, Manchester United protest but they havent got rid of the Glazers are still there just with Jim Ratcliffe now taking half the burden. In the championship Sheff Wed are unhappy with their owner but hes not budging, Reading had crap owners and they didnt go until they fell out the league.

I guess the point im making is i support the club because i love it and thats all i can do, if i stopped loving it i'd stop going because thats all i can do. Do i think we could do with a bit more more investment in recruitment and think the current onwership have made bad mistakes, yes. Do i think we're on the right track to get out of the league at the moment yes, that could change down the line but at the moment i feel the club is going in the right direction, abliet not as fast or smoothly as anyone would ideally like. But whether im a "happy clapper" a "doom monger" or anywhere unbetween it's just the luck of the draw what owner your club ends up with and there isnt really anything a fan can do except enjoy the good stuff, try not to let the bad stuff effect you as its out of your control and if it gets too much it might be time to give it up.
Spot on, it’s laughable that mags think they forced MA out because they shouted at his shops and held a mock funeral, in fact he dug his feet deeper and plastered his sponsorship all over their ground, regardless of what they did he sold because it was a good deal for him, sums up their delusional thinking
 

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