The happy clappers have had their time


On a whole we are currently over achieving with this squad based on purchase and ongoing costs.

The plan was promotion within 5 years and we still have another year after this one to do that.

You can not like the plan, but unless you know of someone willing to commit more money to the club, I’m not going to be up in arms that the current ownership is basically doing exactly what they said they were going to.
 
True but you asked what should the owner do instead of spunking all his money on us.

Not make basic mistakes like leaving us short staffed in our squad for seasons at a time would be a start.

We currently have 1 fit fullback for the third season in a row. Giving Alese and Huggins massive new deals for being injured most of the time!

Hjelde has played 20 plus games at full back in this league and is our 3rd choice left back.

The reality is not many clubs would have a more experienced 3rd choice left back.
 
We have lost £8-9m in each of the last 2 years, how much extra would you like us to lose in the pursuit of where you think we should be?

I am happy with the progress.

We have tried the 3 different managers a season route it didn’t work
 
He's investing all the time. He's keeping as afloat. We're running at a loss. And there's restrictions over how much can be pumped directly into the playing side.

Bang on.

The scum embarrassed themselves for years, and the reality is they had frig all to do with that sale happening, even if they like to think they did.
I don't know as not an expert on the finer details, but how can Tony Bloom put in around £400m to Brighton in the form of interest free loans?
Hjelde has played 20 plus games at full back in this league and is our 3rd choice left back.

The reality is not many clubs would have a more experienced 3rd choice left back.
Has he played 20+ at left back?
 
That's a touch more broad.

I imagine there will be a lot of clubs that will be trying to get there.

Although I expect those with the biggest budgets and best squads will more than often than not be in the top two.
Good on them. It's completely irrelevant to us.

If you fall short for one reason or another, ok. It happens. It's football. But the expectation to get there remains. And the club are trying.

I expect England to win the World Cup, but we've not done that yet either.
 
Good on them. It's completely irrelevant to us.

If you fall short for one reason or another, ok. It happens. It's football. But the expectation to get there remains. And the club are trying.

I expect England to win the World Cup, but we've not done that yet either.

Fair enough, I think im taking expect too literally.
 
People have mentioned apathy amongst the fans and actually I think it’s a valid point.
If you think about the ages of any of our fans from 8 year old to 80 all they’ll have ever known will have been under achievement and failure.
Ok a freak FA Cup win but apart from that there’s none of our fans who have ever known any success well apart from 3 or so good seasons under Reidy and promotions from the second and third tier which really isn’t success if you shouldn’t be there to start with.
What it means is that mediocrity is the norm is accepted and breeds apathy which also means in a slow trickle you lose fans, I think that’s happening as we speak.
The only way it can be reversed is big success on the football field and let’s face it that’s not going to happen any time soon.
 
I don't know as not an expert on the finer details, but how can Tony Bloom put in around £400m to Brighton in the form of interest free loans?

Has he played 20+ at left back?
I dinnar the ins and outs of Brighton's spending, but they've been up 8 years. Things have probably changed in that time.

Their net spends were never anything outlandish prior to their promotion in 16/17.

 
Hjelde has played 20 plus games at full back in this league and is our 3rd choice left back.

The reality is not many clubs would have a more experienced 3rd choice left back.
Would anyone argue he's a good LB and not just someone filling in there because we've had no other options at the time?

Which is the point I'm trying to make that we've used another Jan window when right in the hunt for promotion. Not to strengthen in areas we are weak.

In Mowbray time was a ST and defenders and it's the same again this season.
 
I don't think it's accurate to say that what them lot up the road do has no impact on us. It does, but it's a wider thing - it's about generations of fans being lost because supporting them is the more attractive option due to them being a successful side. I grew up in the mid 90's in a town in County Durham which like many, is fairly 50/50. I was the only SAFC fan in my year at junior school because everyone either supported Man United (Best side in the country), or the Mags as they were enjoying the Keegan years. SAFC meanwhile, were plodding along under Buxton and struggling to stay in what was Division One. I think we are at a similar crossroads now where the Mags playing in PL, Europe and winning cups will capture the current new generation of fans in 50/50 areas and the only way we can limit that is to close the gap by showing some ambition and at least being in the same league as them. The signs are already there where I currently live, with Mag propaganda suddenly being plastered all over local pubs and the unfortunate sight of plenty of NUFC tops being paraded round the local supermarket.

Whilst it is nigh on impossible to suddenly be competing with them, KLD has limitations and restrictions financially, in recent years Ipswich, Leicester, Southampton and Norwich I think all managed back to back promotions without breaking the bank so getting out of this league quickly can be done. What is most frustrating to me and others is that for 3 seasons in a row, all of which where we have been in with a great shout of play-offs or more, we have made no meaningful improvements to the squad in January and not addressed the glaring gaps in our squad. Others around us however, go for broke and will reap the benefits of it.
 
People have mentioned apathy amongst the fans and actually I think it’s a valid point.
If you think about the ages of any of our fans from 8 year old to 80 all they’ll have ever known will have been under achievement and failure.
Ok a freak FA Cup win but apart from that there’s none of our fans who have ever known any success well apart from 3 or so good seasons under Reidy and promotions from the second and third tier which really isn’t success if you shouldn’t be there to start with.
What it means is that mediocrity is the norm is accepted and breeds apathy which also means in a slow trickle you lose fans, I think that’s happening as we speak.
The only way it can be reversed is big success on the football field and let’s face it that’s not going to happen any time soon.

If 80 of our 146 years, the most recent ones as well were underachieving and failure, how is it still underachieving and not the mean?
 
Just seeing the first few replies yav got no chance mate. 30 years down the line yal have them saying "they've won 13 league cups mate, 5 FA cups, the prem couple times, been in the champs league multiple times. What ya pissing ya knickers for?"

Does my head in the mentality and how easy we accept absolute shite these days. And if you dare raise one concern ya proper hounded out for it.

Ya reet in what ya say, something needs to be done soon. Before it's gone too far.
I get it but how do we compete with state owned clubs?
 
The point is that KLD and co, have failed to invest in January, we were only ever 2 injuries or suspensions away from not being able to compete, if the current form continues we may well not even be in the play offs. A huge missed opportunity to get into the premier league.
So when the end of the season comes, the squad will be sold off, Patterson, cirkin, Neil, Jobe, Mundle, Rigg and Ballard will all be gone. A massive squad rebuild of kids we have never heard of and a season of huffing and puffing, rinse, repeat……
What to do? Don’t renew your season ticket, put them on edge, call them out, tell them what you think, I don’t personally care if you clap or not, what is clear is that we need to do something at the end of the season (if we don’t make the play offs).
 
I want fans to stop being so accepting of mediocrity. I am sick to the back teeth of reading comments on here, and social media, about the fact we used to be in league one or we finished 16th last season.

None of that should be relevant to the here and now. There’s been 6 transfer windows since we got promoted.
So what's your consistant whining on here doing to make any of these changes you want? You've blamed just about everything and everyone, what you doing in the real world to sort what you want out?
 
So when the end of the season comes, the squad will be sold off, Patterson, cirkin, Neil, Jobe, Mundle, Rigg and Ballard will all be gone. A massive squad rebuild of kids we have never heard of and a season of huffing and puffing, rinse, repeat……
Absolute nonsense with no basis in reality. We're not going to sell off the majority of our first XI ffs. People go on and on about this "selling club" bollocks when we've only had one major departure per year over the last few years, and one of those was a miracle of a deal because the lad was fully crocked.
 
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