The happy clappers have had their time


I’ve answered the first question a few times already. For a start, people stop making excuses for why SAFC being outside the PL is acceptable and the fanbase puts more pressure on the club to get back there.

It’s not good enough because our natural, historic position is midtable in the top flight. There’s not another team in the country, outside the PL, that gets 40k+ weekly, or has a 49000 seater stadium.
That's never ever been our natural, historic position in the top flight. We've spent the best part of 75 years bouncing about between the bottom of the top flight and exactly where we are now.
 
This board has made progress every season bar one. I get that we won stuff in the 1900s, but that was 100 years ago. You’re grasp of reality is akin to a toddler having a tantrum.

We spent 10 consecutive years in the PL in most fans living memory. We’ve now spent 8 years out of it, which is our worst period ever.

You’re (sic) acceptance of that is what I disagree with.
 
I’ve answered the first question a few times already. For a start, people stop making excuses for why SAFC being outside the PL is acceptable and the fanbase puts more pressure on the club to get back there.

It’s not good enough because our natural, historic position is midtable in the top flight. There’s not another team in the country, outside the PL, that gets 40k+ weekly, or has a 49000 seater stadium.

Im sorry, I havent read it all.

You're going to have to be a bit more specific in order for me to garner an understanding of what pressure on the club is and how that will automatically help?

Im also not sure why our history determines our current position.

Do gates or stadium capacity equal league placement?
 
I think the protests against Ashley did ultimately move him to wanting to sell tbf. The offer for their club wasn't that big (in established PL football terms).

Assuming we don't go up this will be a huge summer for the club. We'll probably be getting some big offers for our players. So it'll be interesting to see how it progresses.

Either way I don't think we're a million miles from KLD looking to sell the club. He probably knows him and sartori don't have the available wealth to drive the club forward to the place the supporters would like to see it at.
KLD has a net worth of £2bn doesn't he? And a further £4bn in a trust fund?
 
We spent 10 consecutive years in the PL in most fans living memory. We’ve now spent 8 years out of it, which is our worst period ever.

You’re (sic) acceptance of that is what I disagree with.

The running of the club that allowed for those 10 years created our lowest-ever league placement. That's pretty important context.
 
Why are you wanting a protest when we are at the highest position we’ve been at since 2017?

This board has had 4 seasons so far (at the close of this one). So far they have registered 1 promotion and 2 play off places (assuming we maintain this season). On top of this they have lowered the average age of the squad, made profit from players in the transfer market, put our finances on a relatively stable footing, tied our better players down to long term contracts…. What are we specifically calling for their heads about? Is progress just not fast enough for you because you want it now and will stamp your feet and cry until you get it?

Absolutely childish and embarrassing way to go about supporting Sunderland. Get a grip of reality mate. Just because you stamp your feet and scream doesn’t mean the world will bend to your will.

Bang on
 
It’s not good enough because our natural, historic position is midtable in the top flight. There’s not another team in the country, outside the PL, that gets 40k+ weekly, or has a 49000 seater stadium.
That sounds an awful lot like mediocrity to me. I can't believe you're so accepting of such mediocrity, and you call yourself a fan?
 
Im sorry, I havent read it all.

You're going to have to be a bit more specific in order for me to garner an understanding of what pressure on the club is and how that will automatically help?

Im also not sure why our history determines our current position.

Do gates or stadium capacity equal league placement?

It starts with people not making excuses for where we are.
 
I'm responding to a post saying we're 4th what more do you want. Which is surely case and point.

But it's been 3 seasons now of any discontent shown about anything. People throw up the well we were in league one for 4 seasons so stop complaining, be happy with what you've got.

As a fanbase for as long as I can remember. Be happy with what you've got has been our mantra. I was born during the first Prem season, first game in 98 and had a ST during the Reidy 7th place finishes.

Since then we've been a disaster of a football club and any Sunderland fan that's been happy with what they've had for 24 years I just can't get on board with.

In the time since I've been going. Leicester(3), Blackburn, Boro, Portsmouth, Birmingham, Swansea and Wigan have all won domestic honours and all played more European games than we have in our history.

We've reached one final. These clubs all had more in that time Blackburn,Portsmouth,Cardiff,Wigan,Southampton and then the same Bradford,Millwall,Tranmere,Stoke,Hull,Watford

Then we've had three top 10 finishes which you don't get anything for. Also 3 missed opportunities to get into Europe, seeing as we were 2nd at Xmas in one of Reidy seasons and 6th under Bruce until we went on absolute dogshit run and only ended up 10th after the mags cocked up a 3-0 lead to WBA and drew 3-3(jumped from 12th to 10th in the 90th min of the game)

Southampton have had four and got into Europe twice, Burnley had 2 and got into Europe, Brighton just about to have their third season. Our top 10 finishes are nothing special and something we shouldn't still be harping on about.

Yet our fanbase has just meekly accepted this season after season. We never protested once in the entire Short era despite just clinging on for dear life every single season. We spent that entire time just laughing at the mags protesting Ashley as they were fed up of mediocrity.

Anybody trying to rally up a different mindset to how we are as club should be applauded rather than being abused for wanting something different.

If our board cared as much as some fans did. We'd have got in a striker under Mowbray or some backup defenders and gone up then. We've had a similar issue this season not investing in the Jan window, everyone falling for Le Fee(and being happy with that) when the window was dogshit.
Not sure I agree anything was just meekly accepted. There was plenty aggravation at matches in the Short era when things were going badly again, with displeasure being vented either verbally or mass walk outs. The fans were also instrumental in getting every manager sacked when it wasn’t going well. You then had many who voted with their feet when we got relegated. I also remember the protests against Murray outside the West Stand before Drumaville took over. We’ve gone through a bad time recently no doubt about it, but to put any blame on the supporters that have continued to prop the club up for years I can’t get on board with.
 
Is it not, in part a case of football being fubar. The journey to the Premier League is far better than the destination (unless you throw millions at it when your there)

The gap between the leagues is at its greatest ever and only growing. People mention Brighton, but he has spent over £400 million on his club, Brentford and Bournemouth have also spent a fair lump of money.

I don't know what the answer is apart from trying the way we are now, developing talent and selling some on to improve the team. Trouble is, that isn't a quick solution unless you throw money at it to skip a few stages and even then it doesn't provide any guarantee of working.

Modern football is rubbish
 
We spent 10 consecutive years in the PL in most fans living memory. We’ve now spent 8 years out of it, which is our worst period ever.

You’re (sic) acceptance of that is what I disagree with.
For most of my life we were a yo-yo club mate. I’ve no idea your age but I’m guessing you’re pretty young. Reality is a hard thing to understand but we can only cut the cloth we have. Every season we are up against teams with 10s of millions more spending power than us…. It’s not exactly the boards fault that the parachute payments concept stacks the league. By any objective metric we are doing well with positive momentum over the last 5 seasons. Stamping your feet and crying isn’t going to change the reality of the world and suddenly result in the premier league awarding us a random 30-40 million to spend.
 
You can’t force them no, but they may feel inclined to spend a bit more if their loyal customer base was more vocal about their displeasure.
So how do we vocalise this displeasure? I know you've mentioned RAWA but i think they have fed back to the club about how last season ended, the lack of investment in a striker, lack of experience, the black cats bar debacle etc.. so i think the club know fans havent been happy about what the club has done in the past, all RAWA can do is feed it back to the club during their meetings if this displeasure continues.

Other than that theres portests? chants? we already protest with out feet when the game isnt going well as a lot just get up and leave ten minutes before full time and the atmosphere is poor even when its 0-0 so the club can probably see at the games there isnt a feel good factor.
 
Not sure I agree anything was just meekly accepted. There was plenty aggravation at matches in the Short era when things were going badly again, with displeasure being vented either verbally or mass walk outs. The fans were also instrumental in getting every manager sacked when it wasn’t going well. You then had many who voted with their feet when we got relegated. I also remember the protests against Murray outside the West Stand before Drumaville took over. We’ve gone through a bad time recently no doubt about it, but to put any blame on the supporters that have continued to prop the club up for years I can’t get on board with.

If there was aggravation at matches in the short era when we were in the PL, why is the fanbase so accepting of where we are now?
 
which is our worst period ever
I've never really got over the butcher/buxton period, but the appointment of Beale by this lot was their moment.

Just my 2p, but the time in league one did far more damage than the year in division 3 whilst simultaneously the Premier League leaves all the other divisions trailing (look at Southampton for example).
 
Can’t wait for these protests, what’s the chant gonna be?

“We want to be in the premier league, it’s not fair, we won the league in 1936 and deserve more!!!”

Catchy
 
I disageee that nobody accepts mediocrity. On here there’s plenty of fans who will regularly say “we used to be in league one” or “we finished 16th last season”. There’s a long list of excuses to justify where we are and imo, nothing should excuse it. It’s not good enough.
Agree it's not good enough but people are being realistic.... we don't have an owner that is going to splash 10's millions like Birmingham for example, nor are we backed by a nation state. It's a sustainable business, whether we like it or not.
 

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