The happy clappers have had their time


I don't perhaps agree with how you've worded this, but I get what you're saying. It seems like we've put up with mediocrity and half-arsed attitudes for too long at our club. We've seen the club stagnate whilst others have absolutely thrived. I mean, you look at some of the clubs that have really kicked on and done something ambitious to really better themselves over the last twenty or so years, whilst we've just bobbed up and down, just happy to survive sometimes. Look at Bournemouth, look at Brighton, look at Brentford, look at other clubs that have been in our predicament when they found themselves in League 1 - Leicester, Wolves, Sheffield United.

All of those clubs are now way ahead of us in the pecking order. Look at clubs like Birmingham and Wrexham, who are showing real ambition and will most likely be in the same division as us next season.

Also, think about the big picture. The ones on here tonight that are saying, "Aye, they've spent 500 million just to win a League Cup... Aye, they've spent 500 million and won a League Cup, but do you really think they're going to want to stop at that? Hell, no. And the more sustained success THEY have, the more it's going to effect US, being the closest league club next to them. The more success that they end up with, the more irrelevant we'll end up becoming. Do you really think that if they have a run of success over the next decade or so, that you'll be seeing loads of kids running around the north-east wearing Sunderland tops? If we lose the next generation of fans, we'll become a nothing club. Unsustainable. Destined to scratch around the lower leagues for years, whilst having to put up with that lot dominating, if not nationally, but certainly in this immediate area.

And then what? Irrelevance? Oblivion? You look at clubs like Oldham, who thirty years ago were a Premier League club. But having Man Utd a few miles away, and the way they were dominant in the 90's lured a whole generation of supporters who may have grown up in Oldham, away from their local club, to support a club that was successful, that was ambitious. Where are Oldham now? The National League.

This is the worry for many supporters right now. Them having success up the road can only be a bad thing for our club. And unless the club starts to show a bit of ambition and determination to get us to a level where we could realistically compete, maybe not for silverware, but at least having a go at staying relevant, it's only going to get worse. Rightly or wrongly, label some of us as bedwetters. Call us hysterical. But at the end of the day, a lot of us are very rightly worried for the future of the club.

I’m poor at saying things and I’ll never be a diplomat. That’s why I disagree with so many on here.

Thank you for putting it eloquently
 
There’s nothing you can do about Newcastle. Man City were in the Third Tier the year Man Utd won the Treble and they survived. You won’t be able to stop people being drawn in by the Saudis if they’re that way inclined. But it’s pointless worrying about them it really is.

I 100% agree (someone call a f***ing ambulance)

All of the “controversial” points I’ve made, none have been about them. I don’t judge our level against them. I didn’t think we were world beaters when they were in the champ and I don’t think they’re world beaters now.

What I do think is that we shouldn’t have spent this long outside of the PL and they’ve never had such an easy run.
 
I 100% agree (someone call a f***ing ambulance)

All of the “controversial” points I’ve made, none have been about them. I don’t judge our level against them. I didn’t think we were world beaters when they were in the champ and I don’t think they’re world beaters now.

What I do think is that we shouldn’t have spent this long outside of the PL and they’ve never had such an easy run.
Jesus the world really is ending if you agree. 😆 We are one club and they are another. I agree we shouldn’t be 8yrs out the PL, tbh though I think everyone would agree on that what you fundamentally don’t like is the limitations of the model and you think we need a better coach. I think the model is pretty good (not perfect) and I also HATE and I mean HATE sacking managers. It just looks awful and chaotic and imo I think it would harm us rn. Fundamentally though we are aligned. Just our methods differ.
 
Jesus the world really is ending if you agree. 😆 We are one club and they are another. I agree we shouldn’t be 8yrs out the PL, tbh though I think everyone would agree on that what you fundamentally don’t like is the limitations of the model and you think we need a better coach. I think the model is pretty good (not perfect) and I also HATE and I mean HATE sacking managers. It just looks awful and chaotic and imo I think it would harm us rn. Fundamentally though we are aligned. Just our methods differ.

I think the method of signing players and selling them for more money is class. But eventually that money has to be invested in a promotion push
These type of threads are embarrassing. It's like that time The True Geordie blamed Mike Ashley for us getting to the final. They're now a state owned entity, so fuck them.

Why are you deciding to bring them into it, having read the OP? Got them on your mind?
 
I think the method of signing players and selling them for more money is class. But eventually that money has to be invested in a promotion push
Exactly this.

One issue I have is to do with player sales. We sold Jack Clarke for £15 million. When you see other players in the Championship being sold on for £25-30million, why so low? I know that he hasn't exactly been pulling up any trees at Ipswich, but for a player to be so highly rated as he was when he was at the club, why the hell would you sell one of your best assets for such a low figure?
 
Clapped us out of the PL. Clapped us out of the championship.

Clapped a sunderland fan wishing Charlton fans well in 2019. Clapped them after defeats to Lincoln and Luton in the playoffs.

Critical of any fan who dares to say anything against the club. Defended the ownership after KLD was proven to have lied to the fans (those loans been turned into equity yet?)

It’s time for a bit of pressure on the hierarchy. Time for them to see that it’s not acceptable for SAFC to be plying their trade outside of the PL, and their loyal and numerous fans will not accept anything else.

This doesn’t mean change of manager, change of ownership or change of the overall business plan.

It means that our longest spell outside of the PL in history, or hoping to “find form” going into a playoff campaign, isn’t young to be accepted as acceptable.

6 times champions of England, 2 time FA cup winners, 10th in the overall top flight table, let’s start acting like it. Owners, directors, coaches, players & fans. What we’re currently seeing isn’t good enough and it’s incumbent on us all to sort the fucker out.
You’re an absolute fool and are not a supporter of this football club.

Fuck off
 
I don't perhaps agree with how you've worded this, but I get what you're saying. It seems like we've put up with mediocrity and half-arsed attitudes for too long at our club. We've seen the club stagnate whilst others have absolutely thrived. I mean, you look at some of the clubs that have really kicked on and done something ambitious to really better themselves over the last twenty or so years, whilst we've just bobbed up and down, just happy to survive sometimes. Look at Bournemouth, look at Brighton, look at Brentford, look at other clubs that have been in our predicament when they found themselves in League 1 - Leicester, Wolves, Sheffield United.

All of those clubs are now way ahead of us in the pecking order. Look at clubs like Birmingham and Wrexham, who are showing real ambition and will most likely be in the same division as us next season.

Also, think about the big picture. The ones on here tonight that are saying, "Aye, they've spent 500 million just to win a League Cup... Aye, they've spent 500 million and won a League Cup, but do you really think they're going to want to stop at that? Hell, no. And the more sustained success THEY have, the more it's going to effect US, being the closest league club next to them. The more success that they end up with, the more irrelevant we'll end up becoming. Do you really think that if they have a run of success over the next decade or so, that you'll be seeing loads of kids running around the north-east wearing Sunderland tops? If we lose the next generation of fans, we'll become a nothing club. Unsustainable. Destined to scratch around the lower leagues for years, whilst having to put up with that lot dominating, if not nationally, but certainly in this immediate area.

And then what? Irrelevance? Oblivion? You look at clubs like Oldham, who thirty years ago were a Premier League club. But having Man Utd a few miles away, and the way they were dominant in the 90's lured a whole generation of supporters who may have grown up in Oldham, away from their local club, to support a club that was successful, that was ambitious. Where are Oldham now? The National League.

This is the worry for many supporters right now. Them having success up the road can only be a bad thing for our club. And unless the club starts to show a bit of ambition and determination to get us to a level where we could realistically compete, maybe not for silverware, but at least having a go at staying relevant, it's only going to get worse. Rightly or wrongly, label some of us as bedwetters. Call us hysterical. But at the end of the day, a lot of us are very rightly worried for the future of the club.
Great post this and nail on the head
 
Well, you managed to pluck eloquently out of nowhere, so you're not doing too bad.

My problem is the 'Happy Clapper' nonsense in your thread title and post.

On this board I think fans are split into 2 main groups. “Happy clappers” and “Bed wetters”. I may have worded my title wrong but that’s how things tend to go on here imo
 
On this board I think fans are split into 2 main groups. “Happy clappers” and “Bed wetters”. I may have worded my title wrong but that’s how things tend to go on here imo
Happy Clapper- People desperate for the club to do well that often outwardly portray an image of being overly positive, preferring patience and ignoring or underestimating certain faults.

Bedwetters- People desperate for the club to do well that often outwardly portray an image of fearing the worst, identifying faults and preferring immediate often short term focused fixes to said issues.

Common denominator in there.
 

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