The happy clappers have had their time


I absolutely agree that we’re making progress. Like you say we’ve gone from a squad worth nothing trading for signing on fees to having a squad worth a decent amount of money.

However, I don’t think that’s the barometer of success. If it was, Brighton would win the league every year. It’s all well and good having players who bring money in, but if they don’t bring success (in relative terms) what’s the point.

A hypothetical, but I think fairly realistic possibility - we sell Jobe for £25m this summer. We reinvest it. A few turn out to be duds, a couple turn out to be prospects, 1 is ready for the first team. We have a good run, the players get tired and we lose in the playoffs again. Next summer we sell Rigg, we reinvest it…

You can see where I’m going. Yes the club will be making money. Yes the club looks like a place to develop player. But when do we make the step up?

At some point the club has to say “okay we’re going for it now”.
It’s not the barometer of success no, but it’s necessary to achieve success

Your hypothetical example is probably not even hypothetical, but that’s how football works right now. It’s exactly what Brighton and Brentford and Bournemouth have done.

Forest are a bit of an anomaly, but we need to accept that having a billionaire owner doesn’t ensure success. The Mags are the richest club in the world but they’ve given up Anderson and Minteh for a 3rd choice Greek keeper just to be compliant
 
You asked what I’d do. I’ve shown you what I’d do. It won’t be the end of what I’d do, but it’s what I’d do.

Actual pressure on the ownership group.
Do you have any idea how patronising you sound?

I have followed this club for the best part of 60 years, and I am being lectured, along with many others, on when I can and can't clap, when to be happy, and what I have to do to prove I am a fan.

Jog on marra.
 
:lol:Sorry, can I clarify that we’ve moved on from you making shit up and you’d like to carry on the debate?

As you’ll have seen from my previous posts, I’m happy to debate with everyone. There’s a fair number of people on this thread who I regularly disagree with, that I’ll happily debate, but I will say something if they make things up.
:lol: from the lad who constantly boots off and selectivity chooses who to reply to.
 
Imo Le Fee was a nod to that. You may disagree. We will see. I hope you’re wrong. And to reassure you, people won’t take anything less than promotion ambition now. 5 year plan et al.

I see you’ve replied to me. I apologise for any untoward comments I made earlier. I was happy to respect your wish. I’m happy to engage in debate without any personal insults if that works with you?

When we signed Le Fee I replied, possibly to you, about us signing someone to get us over the line. Then we signed no one else.

It felt, and feels to me, like they were putting a bit of FTFE tape on a leaking tap, instead of just replacing it. There has to be a time they say “No, we’re going to get promoted and it’s this season” and until they do I won’t settle.

I also hope I’m wrong btw.
 
I see you’ve replied to me. I apologise for any untoward comments I made earlier. I was happy to respect your wish. I’m happy to engage in debate without any personal insults if that works with you?

When we signed Le Fee I replied, possibly to you, about us signing someone to get us over the line. Then we signed no one else.

It felt, and feels to me, like they were putting a bit of FTFE tape on a leaking tap, instead of just replacing it. There has to be a time they say “No, we’re going to get promoted and it’s this season” and until they do I won’t settle.

I also hope I’m wrong btw.
Yeah and me too tbh I was a twat, I was unbelievably annoyed after yesterday so apologies. Fair enough, let’s just see. I know you hope you are wrong, I know you care, maybe like me you care too much. 😆
 
Do you have any idea how patronising you sound?

I have followed this club for the best part of 60 years, and I am being lectured, along with many others, on when I can and can't clap, when to be happy, and what I have to do to prove I am a fan.

Jog on marra.

I’m answering questions that I’ve been asked. People have asked what id like to see different and I’ve answered them.

You have nothing to do to prove you’re a fan, I think everybody on this board (except the obvious supporters of others clubs) is a fan.
 
I see your point, but I refuse to accept that “better than it used to be” as an excuse for where we are now.

If someone said to you when we finished 10th in the PL that one day we’d use languishing in league one as justification for getting knocked out of the championship playoffs as an excuse, what would you say?
I thought those years in the Prem were total dogshit tbh mate didn’t enjoy hardly any of it, so god knows what I’ve had said. We will get there one day, let’s just enjoy the journey because let’s face it it’s usually the best bit. As long as we stand proudly by our team we can stand with our heads held high.
 
:lol: from the lad who constantly boots off and selectivity chooses who to reply to.

If I’ve missed replies then honestly point them out. The best thing about this board is the variety of view points!

Aye, I’m constantly annoyed. That’s because I follow sunderland and we’ve been out of the PL for 8 years. I won’t apologise for being annoyed about that.
 
I thought those years in the Prem were total dogshit tbh mate didn’t enjoy hardly any of it, so god knows what I’ve had said. We will get there one day, let’s just enjoy the journey because let’s face it it’s usually the best bit. As long as we stand proudly by our team we can stand with our heads held high.

I completely agree btw, there’s a difference between standing in the stadium and supporting the team and coming online and venting.

I’ve followed us all over in the PL, champ, L1 and now back to champ.
 
And how can you prove that?

You think if I'd bood things would have been different?

Some shite being spoken on here tonight mind.
I’m just telling you what the OPs point is.

You’ve supported the club for 60 years, blindly and no matter what, which is amazing. It’s been mainly shite, however.

Still wouldn’t change it for the world but we are more likely to have another shite 60 years then a great 60 years cos the fans will go anyway.
 
Yeah and me too tbh I was a twat, I was unbelievably annoyed after yesterday so apologies. Fair enough, let’s just see. I know you hope you are wrong, I know you care, maybe like me you care too much. 😆

I care more than I’d like to admit. Our school WhatsApp, ones on a 1 week timeout because he’s the only mag😂😂😂

We’ll get to the playoffs I’ve no doubt, whether it’s 4th or 6th, and I’ll be there. I take the entire month of May using all my annual leave to make sure I can go after I missed sheff wed years ago.

I’ll drop you a PM for the away leg and you can buy me a pint. 😂😂😂
 
Ellis Short was/is. The topic tonight seems to be people wanting someone to buy the club and chuck 10s of millions at transfer fees. That was my point.
KLD net worth supposedly is around £2bn, and to compare Tony Bloom at Brighton is around the £1.5bn mark.

Bloom has put around £400m into Brighton via interest free loans, and in our last accounts our Owners put in £1.8m vs £8.2m overdraft facility, which cost £626k interest.

There's finance people who get on here who can set me right, but is there any reason why KLD couldn't do the same?
 
When does the “we can’t say it has to be next year” turn into “it has to be next year”?

Is that a decision taken by the RAWA board member, is it taken when the fans write to RAWA and say “you know what, we’ve had enough being outside the PL” or is it when the club decide?
I don't think it's ever a line in the sand like that where you say "it has to be now or you've failed", there's too many variables in football. At the minute I can see the progress we're making. The squad has more quality and more value than when we came up. You're right, there's that worry that we keep selling the good ones too quickly and never go up because we keep just replacing them. Obviously the theory is that, even if we need one big sale, if the others coming in as a result are of a higher standard than what's here already we'll keep improving. There will be a season where the points needed aren't as high and, hopefully, we'll be the ones to capitalise.

We know the squad now is better than it was a couple of years ago,light years ahead of 4 years ago. We're likely to get or best finish since coming back up, with the best squad. The signs are positive enough for me that we won't need to issue statements etc which would naturally have to lead to protests, we're progressing imo

But rawa represent the members, so if a lot of people raised it, that would obviously be the thing that would put it on the table, rather than the feelings of individual board members
 
I care more than I’d like to admit. Our school WhatsApp, ones on a 1 week timeout because he’s the only mag😂😂😂

We’ll get to the playoffs I’ve no doubt, whether it’s 4th or 6th, and I’ll be there. I take the entire month of May using all my annual leave to make sure I can go after I missed sheff wed years ago.

I’ll drop you a PM for the away leg and you can buy me a pint. 😂😂😂
Hahahaha I’m not sure my 20pts will get there me 😭😭 But 100% at some away day I will. What a shitter of a weekend eh. Survived it though, can survive most things in football now. 😆
 
I don't think it's ever a line in the sand like that where you say "it has to be now or you've failed", there's too many variables in football. At the minute I can see the progress we're making. The squad has more quality and more value than when we came up. You're right, there's that worry that we keep selling the good ones too quickly and never go up because we keep just replacing them. Obviously the theory is that, even if we need one big sale, if the others coming in as a result are of a higher standard than what's here already we'll keep improving. There will be a season where the points needed aren't as high and, hopefully, we'll be the ones to capitalise.

We know the squad now is better than it was a couple of years ago,light years ahead of 4 years ago. We're likely to get or best finish since coming back up, with the best squad. The signs are positive enough for me that we won't need to issue statements etc which would naturally have to lead to protests, we're progressing imo

But rawa represent the members, so if a lot of people raised it, that would obviously be the thing that would put it on the table, rather than the feelings of individual board members
That squad is likely to be butchered though. A bit investment in January and we would have had a far better chance to keep it together and build on it.
 

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