The case for Steve McClaren


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Well....Poyet, Di Matteo, Pulis....do you think that if you went for any of those mentioned it would be any better than Trappatoni. Don't make me sick.
Still waiting for you to tell me what I suggested..... For the record I couldn't give a flying fuck who's appointed so long as they win some games and bail us out of the shit. But come on f***ing trappatoni at least try to be realistic
 
How scary people are actually accepting that Steeeeef McClaren is an option.
This would tip the scales for me, enough to say fuck it.
Him or Pullis and im done as a season ticket holder.
Accepted that PDC was guna be a rollercoaster and he prob would have took us down, i could have accepted this, cause it was different and hopefully in the long term would have been ok.
Loved his passion and his straight talking, admit that he needed to blend into the background more, but it was unique.

A season of boring style football aint guna wash anymore.
 
McClaren is no guarantee of success, although tbf no-one is. I suppose there are worse names out there but it hardly excites me.

Ah Paolo... What could have been. Ultra-motivated, agreed by all to be a great coach, zero idea on man-management. If you could take the first parts and replace his man-management skills with say a Fergie, what could he have been. Sadly that flaw is integral to who he is.
 
Still waiting for you to tell me what I suggested..... For the record I couldn't give a flying fuck who's appointed so long as they win some games and bail us out of the shit. But come on f***ing trappatoni at least try to be realistic

Not meaning to imply you mention anyone in particular because I know you haven't picked anyone out in particular. But let's be honest. Look at the one's out there with the bookmaker's like Pulis, Poyet and Di Matteo. You back any one of those and you are not backing anyone special or good.

For the record I couldn't give a fook either so long as they win games and get us competitive. But come on, don't ridicule the suggestion of others if you can't offer anything less than an equally stupid one yourself.
 
On a purely football basis I wouldn't be at all opposed to getting McClaren at all however the reaction and divisions it would cause amongst our fans could be destructive to the point that it would be doomed to failure before it was given a chance so I'd have to say no.

Also the perception from outside SAFC and in the media is quite important in my opinion, we're in desperate need of some good PR as a club, even if it's just for our own disillusioned fan base (or maybe even for attracting players in future), we wouldn't get that with a McClaren appointment. We need someone who will be almost universally acceptable for the fans, media and general public. Not to mention someone who may be able to do the job and fit in to our structure too. For me the only two that would come close to fitting the bill from the names linked are Zola and Di Matteo.

Re point one, that would all stop if he could get a tune out of the players - he couldn't do any worse let's face it. With a bit of organisation and installing a bit of belief into the players though, who knows?

Re point two, that's only the tabloid press who still ridicule him for failing with England. Again, if he started getting results they'd get board and go for Kinnear again or some other hapless idiot. There would certainly be nothing like the sideshow surrounding PDC so to be fair the tabs will have forgotten about us by Blackberry week in any case.
 
Re point one, that would all stop if he could get a tune out of the players - he couldn't do any worse let's face it. With a bit of organisation and installing a bit of belief into the players though, who knows?

Re point two, that's only the tabloid press who still ridicule him for failing with England. Again, if he started getting results they'd get board and go for Kinnear again or some other hapless idiot. There would certainly be nothing like the sideshow surrounding PDC so to be fair the tabs will have forgotten about us by Blackberry week in any case.
I just wonder if he could get enough respect from the players to get a tune in the first place. They read the papers (more than likely the tabloids), they'll know the mocking that is going on, they'll be aware of the dissatisfaction in the appointment from a lot of our fans. It almost gives them a free passage to further failure as they'll know the blame will be placed upon the unpopular choice of coach. He'd be facing an up hill task from the get go in my opinion, it's a big hurdle to overcome.
 
Out of all the names seriously mentioned so far SM is the one Id go for.

He's had a few problems but no manager is a success in every job. SAFC need someone who is gonna stick around for a while and SMs various chastening experiences (ooh err) may have cured any wanderlust that a younger up n coming manager who has a couple of good years here may be susceptible too.
 
I just wonder if he could get enough respect from the players to get a tune in the first place. They read the papers (more than likely the tabloids), they'll know the mocking that is going on, they'll be aware of the dissatisfaction in the appointment from a lot of our fans. It almost gives them a free passage to further failure as they'll know the blame will be placed upon the unpopular choice of coach. He'd be facing an up hill task from the get go in my opinion, it's a big hurdle to overcome.


Well the players would only need to have a word with Wes Brown and John O Shea wouldn't they....?
 
I just wonder if he could get enough respect from the players to get a tune in the first place. They read the papers (more than likely the tabloids), they'll know the mocking that is going on, they'll be aware of the dissatisfaction in the appointment from a lot of our fans. It almost gives them a free passage to further failure as they'll know the blame will be placed upon the unpopular choice of coach. He'd be facing an up hill task from the get go in my opinion, it's a big hurdle to overcome.

Brown and OShea will be on his side. Shit fuck bollocks Im turning into Jarvis. Pass the cyanide.
 
He is an option and probably as good as we''ll get. Personally, I don't want to see another Italian here, but that's only my choice. Truth is, some want the fancy sounding Italians others would prefer more practical solutions, I prefer the latter.Without a massive gamble, who else is there?
 
The problem is that he wouldn't get much patience from the fans due to his reputation etc, same with Pulis. His appointment would be met with negativity. After a few games it'd be full of told-you-so's when we play shite.

McClaren wouldn't even be in my top 5, We'd be after a new Manager within months imo.
 
Is this:
He has built an excellent reputation as a first team coach. Read comments from any of the Man U players he was involved with if you need reassurances. Good tactician and organiser who earns his money on the training ground rather than the press room - exactly what we need

His age and experience. Successful spell with boro, never took them down and took them not only into Europe but to a European final. Yes, boro. The England thing doesn't bother me, in act he's probably a better coach/manager for the experience. I also don't think he'd be taking the job to further his career, buggering off at the first opportunity of a more attractive (southern based) job. RDM and GP probably would.

I think he'd 'get' safc having lived and managed in the north east. I wouldn't underestimate the benefits if this. We really need stability, 5 years minimum with the same guy. It's 50% likely we will go down this season while there has to be a chance short and the Italians will fuck off within the next couple of years. Mclaren could potentially steer us through this IMO.

He isn't tony Pullis.

Lets look at the facts conerning mclaren
Boro , took over a decent team set them up to play in two big games in the later stages of the euro cup , bothe games his team got battered and he had to abandon his failed tactics throw on every forward he had on the bench anf go route one . He then gopt very very lucky when this saved him.
AZ , won a micky mouse laegue in a very poor season when both ajax and feyenooard were in transitional periods .
Now we come to the latest stage of his carreer .
England a disaster failed to qualify from an easy group , clueless tit players laughed at him
Bundesliga unmitigated disaster they couldn't get rid quick enough,
Forest , see above
AZ again see above.
The guy nhas no energy , no fight in him , nothing . It would be a guarantee of championship football next season if we were dumb enough to hire him.
 
Re point two, that's only the tabloid press who still ridicule him for failing with England.

Very good point, bear in mind England only actually beat 1 team (Egypt) in 90 minutes and it's still seen as a high water mark 23 years later. The England job is a hiding to nothing.
 
Is a manager who took Boro to a UEFA Cup Final really someone a club like ours should be turning our noses up at?

Also, people quoting his record with England: we've had manager after manager with "proven" managers come here and fail time after time. Poisoned chalice and we just can't compete.
 
Lets look at the facts conerning mclaren
Boro , took over a decent team set them up to play in two big games in the later stages of the euro cup , bothe games his team got battered and he had to abandon his failed tactics throw on every forward he had on the bench anf go route one . He then gopt very very lucky when this saved him.
AZ , won a micky mouse laegue in a very poor season when both ajax and feyenooard were in transitional periods .
Now we come to the latest stage of his carreer .
England a disaster failed to qualify from an easy group , clueless tit players laughed at him
Bundesliga unmitigated disaster they couldn't get rid quick enough,
Forest , see above
AZ again see above.
The guy nhas no energy , no fight in him , nothing . It would be a guarantee of championship football next season if we were dumb enough to hire him.
Yep, just the facts, nothing subjective there at all! ;):)[DOUBLEPOST=1380023252][/DOUBLEPOST]
Very good point, bear in mind England only actually beat 1 team (Egypt) in 90 minutes and it's still seen as a high water mark 23 years later. The England job is a hiding to nothing.
Does completely skew the whole public's and media's perception in this country! Sven, Capello, hoddle etc obviously aren't bad managers either but they'll forever be tainted in this country.
 
I can't quite believe it but I'm actually starting to warm to the idea of McLaren. We all want a name to excite us, an up and coming young buck but if you slow down and think about it that type of coach comes with massive risk, Di Canio being the all too recent proof of that. McClaren isn't without risk of course but he comes with experience, a reasonable track record and a boring, safe pair of hands is possibly best for us right now. And for those, including myself, who question his failings both at England and club level, just remember that a successful record elsewhere doesn't always (ever!) translate into success here - see McMenemy, Wilko, MON, Di Canio.

I'm still not convinced but it's not the terrible idea I first thought it was.
 
Is this:
He has built an excellent reputation as a first team coach. Read comments from any of the Man U players he was involved with if you need reassurances. Good tactician and organiser who earns his money on the training ground rather than the press room - exactly what we need

His age and experience. Successful spell with boro, never took them down and took them not only into Europe but to a European final. Yes, boro. The England thing doesn't bother me, in act he's probably a better coach/manager for the experience. I also don't think he'd be taking the job to further his career, buggering off at the first opportunity of a more attractive (southern based) job. RDM and GP probably would.

I think he'd 'get' safc having lived and managed in the north east. I wouldn't underestimate the benefits if this. We really need stability, 5 years minimum with the same guy. It's 50% likely we will go down this season while there has to be a chance short and the Italians will fuck off within the next couple of years. Mclaren could potentially steer us through this IMO.

He isn't tony Pullis.

Neither Pullis nor Mc Claren, nor Di Matteo nor anybody with pride and pedigree will sign up with Di Fanti as DOF
 
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