The 4th jab



One virus has been around at various times throughout the year, is new and evolving with increasing rates of immunity from prior infection and vaccination over the last two years.
The other is around at predictable rates at predictable times of the year with a much higher degree of immunity from decades of vaccination and over a century of exposure to previous strains.

Seen as you're so well informed why don't you apply for a grant to fund a long lasting coronavirus vaccine. I'm sure every country in the world will buy it from you?
Alreet Johnny Pfizer lad
 
I have no problem.Do you?
Trying to understand what your agenda is outside of constantly slagging the UK off. Numbers are still high as you keep pointing out and only a fool would think we're out of the woods, so what's the issue with planning ahead to maximise protection going forward?
 
Trying to understand what your agenda is outside of constantly slagging the UK off. Numbers are still high as you keep pointing out and only a fool would think we're out of the woods, so what's the issue with planning ahead to maximise protection going forward?
He’s made a few strange posts in regards to this which has got me scratching my head. I always thought he was one of the relatively sensible people in regards to this.
 
Are you for f***ing real,there's plenty of countries where cases are higher than the the UKs FFS.🙄

I've no issues to planning ahead,where the fuck have I stated I have.🤔

So this post
Yearly booster AKA the 4 month booster.

and the one agreeing with one of the resident anti-maskers insinuation that boosters are profit-driven weren't meant as critical of the booster programme? My mistake if not.
 
Numbers are still high as you keep pointing out
Yep but they'll soon be dropping like I stated in an other thread a few days back.Yoi must of missed it.😃
So this post
So this post? WTF are you in about?
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and the one agreeing with one of the resident anti-maskers insinuation that boosters are profit-driven.
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I don't agree with the any anti- maskers thank you.👍
 
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Yep but they'll soon be dropping like I stated in an other thread a few days back.Yoi must of missed it.😃

So this post? WTF are you in about?
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and the one agreeing with one of the resident anti-maskers insinuation that boosters are profit-driven.
I don't agree with the any anti- maskers thank you.👍
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Easy tiger, he’s not the only one to have come to that conclusion from those posts.
 
Nothing that hasn’t been stated many times for many months now.
The expectation of new variants and an annual vaccine which was tweaked was a view most health care professionals were expecting.
Flu in the right arm, COVID in the left.
 
I think this like all things these days is becoming about polarization rather than being able to have a sensible conversation, I've got a friend who isn't really my mate anymore because I told him to fuck off due to his drivel about covid not being real, he's got relatives that have died of covid and he would argue night was day if he felt it made him look more intelligent.

Then I've got mates who I do still talk to but they are rabid vaxxers they want people without vaccines looking up in prison it's bizzare in not sure what's driving it, they are very big socialists so I suppose they do generally want big state involvement and this appears to have driven then to extremes.

There once again doesn't appear to be much middle ground because the anti vaxxers are emotionally attached to them being the only sane people in a world going mad and the vaxxers are accusing people who aren't vaxxed of being blood guilty.

One thing is for certain, we are heading towards catastrophe if we continue down this path of black and white thinking.
 
Well the ONS published yesterday that an estimated 1.3 million people in the UK are experiencing long Covid symptoms. Some quite debilitating. And some in younger demographics.

So it’s not just getting seriously ill or dying that’s the risk, it’s that the more research that comes out points to the footprint of what Covid does to your body in everything from brain to organ damage. If vaccines help with that I’ll keep them up despite being in my 30s and fit and healthy.

The longer term risks for younger people have always been chronic long Covid and still are. We know from SARS and MERS now decades later what ongoing problems it left some people with
That’s about 10% then… pretty high figure. I’ve not personally come across anyone who has struggled with it short or long term. Must just be lucky.
 
Why are young, healthy people continuing to get jabs if it knocks them off their feet for days after? They'd surely be better off actually getting Covid for those sweet antibodies? The fabled herd immunity and all that.
 
Torygraph just reporting that the JCVI are minded against 4th jabs- behind a pay wall. Will attempt a cut and paste!

Fourth Covid vaccines won’t be necessary, say JCVI experts​

Government scientific advisers say current boosters protecting the vulnerable as evidence grows that omicron milder than other variants

ByLaura Donnelly, HEALTH EDITOR ; Sarah Knapton, SCIENCE EDITOR and Simon Johnson, SCOTTISH POLITICAL EDITOR7 January 2022 • 9:00pm
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Fourth Covid vaccines are not currently needed, government scientific advisers have said, amid increasing evidence that the omicron strain is much milder than previous variants.
On Friday night, the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) announced that booster jabs continue to provide high levels of protection against severe disease from omicron in older adults, including the most vulnerable.
The committee's analysis found that, three months after receiving a third jab, protection against hospitalisation among those aged 65 and over remains at around 90 per cent.
Ministers have been exploring the possibility of a fourth jab for several weeks after Israel, considered a global pioneer in Covid vaccination, launched such a programme last month.
But Prof Wei Shen Lim, the JCVI's chairman of Covid immunisation, said: "The current data show the booster dose is continuing to provide high levels of protection against severe disease, even for the most vulnerable older age groups.
"For this reason, the committee has concluded there is no immediate need to introduce a second booster dose, though this will continue to be reviewed."
It comes as Covid numbers in Britain fell for a third day in a row and evidence emerged that hospitalisations arising from virus cases were 12 times lower than during last year's winter peak.
There were 178,250 cases reported in the UK on Friday, down from 179,756 the previous day and a daily fall of more than 11,000 from the previous week.
New figures from Scotland show that just one per cent of people who test positive for Covid are ending up in hospital – down from 12 per cent last January.
Data from England show that the number of patients in mechanical ventilation beds has fallen to 728 – a decline of 63 in a week and the lowest it has been since October.
Speaking during a visit to King's College Hospital in south London, Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, said: "When we look at omicron versus the previous variants, of course there are some encouraging signs. We know now that omicon is less severe."
However, Mr Javid emphasised the need for people to come forward for their booster jabs amid "challenging times" for the NHS.

On the same visit, Amanda Pritchard, the head of the NHS, said a fortnight of further hospital admissions for Covid was "already baked in" as some NHS staff faced "the steepest climb of the pandemic yet".
Staff absences because of Covid isolation are continuing to put severe pressures on services, amid warnings that the situation could continue for some weeks.
The JCVI said rolling out a fourth jabs programme "would add to the significant existing operational pressures", noting that "the current omicron wave is progressing very swiftly, offering limited time for additional vaccine programme measures to have a substantial impact within this wave".
The committee said that, even among the most vulnerable, a fourth jab would provide "limited additional benefit against severe disease at this present time" and that the main aim of the vaccination programme remained prevention of severe disease, not protection against mild or asymptomatic infection.
Protecting against all infection would require regular jabs – as often as every three months – which "is not considered a sustainable long-term strategy", they said.
The committee added that alternative vaccines including variant-specific jabs, which could become available later this year, may prove better suited to providing long-term protection against novel variants.
The comments echo remarks made earlier this week by Sir Andrew Pollard, the chairman of the JCVI, who told The Telegraph that "more strong evidence is needed" before the rollout of a fourth vaccine.
He said: "We can't vaccinate the planet every four to six months. It's not sustainable or affordable. In the future, we need to target the vulnerable."
There is increasing evidence that omicron is milder than previous variants. The latest figures show an increase in hospitalisations, with 2,434 admissions on Friday – up from 2,080. But NHS data show that, in some areas, as many as 45 per cent of patients in hospital with Covid were admitted for other reasons.

There were 13,045 people included in the official Covid hospital figures by Jan 4, but 4,825 had been admitted for other reasons. Across the country, 37 per cent of Covid hospital patients were admitted for other reasons, compared with a figure of 24 per cent earlier this month.
The figures show that, in the week ending Jan 4, cases of "incidental" Covid rose by 135 per cent, from 2,065 to 4,845. Those classed as primarily Covid saw lower growth, of 83 per cent, from 4,479 to 8,200.
The Midlands had the highest proportion of "incidental" cases, at 45 per cent. In London, the percentage of non-Covid cases included in the figures hit a high of 44.7 per cent on Jan 2 but has since fallen to 38.2 per cent.
The latest statistics show that deaths from Covid in care homes are up to 10 times lower than this time last year, even though there has been a greater number of outbreaks.
Data from Public Health Scotland show that only one in 100 people who recently tested positive for Covid required hospital care, compared to one in eight at the end of last January.
Calculations by The Telegraph also suggest that in England just two per cent of cases compared to 12 per cent last winter are currently ending up in hospital.
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Why are young, healthy people continuing to get jabs if it knocks them off their feet for days after? They'd surely be better off actually getting Covid for those sweet antibodies? The fabled herd immunity and all that.
Because in getting those sweet antibodies naturally there's a much higher chance of ending up in hospital or dead than via a vaccine. Then you can get the natural antibodies after the vaccinated ones with far less risk.
BBC News - No need for a fourth Covid jab yet, say UK advisers
90% protection against hospitalisation in those 65+ three months after a booster, great news.
 
Because in getting those sweet antibodies naturally there's a much higher chance of ending up in hospital or dead than via a vaccine. Then you can get the natural antibodies after the vaccinated ones with far less risk.

90% protection against hospitalisation in those 65+ three months after a booster, great news.

How many young and healthy people have ended up dead or in hospital because of Covid?
 

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