The 4th jab

Behind Enemy Lines said:
How many young and healthy people have ended up dead or in hospital because of Covid?
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1742 out of 2779 admissions under 40 were unvaccinated in the last three weeks of the year. No idea of health status, don't even know if the "underlying health issues" has been resolved as they previously included acne and depression.
 


rudd said:
1742 out of 2779 admissions under 40 were unvaccinated in the last three weeks of the year. No idea of health status, don't even know if the "underlying health issues" has been resolved as they previously included acne and depression.
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Do you have the stats for the number of under 40s who have died of (not with) Covid since the start of this pandemic in the UK?
 
Super Mario said:
I think this like all things these days is becoming about polarization rather than being able to have a sensible conversation, I've got a friend who isn't really my mate anymore because I told him to fuck off due to his drivel about covid not being real, he's got relatives that have died of covid and he would argue night was day if he felt it made him look more intelligent.

Then I've got mates who I do still talk to but they are rabid vaxxers they want people without vaccines looking up in prison it's bizzare in not sure what's driving it, they are very big socialists so I suppose they do generally want big state involvement and this appears to have driven then to extremes.

There once again doesn't appear to be much middle ground because the anti vaxxers are emotionally attached to them being the only sane people in a world going mad and the vaxxers are accusing people who aren't vaxxed of being blood guilty.

One thing is for certain, we are heading towards catastrophe if we continue down this path of black and white thinking.
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It’s brexit and woke all over again.

The echo chamber enhancing algorithms have got a lot to answer for.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Do you have the stats for the number of under 40s who have died of (not with) Covid since the start of this pandemic in the UK?
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Not to hand sorry. I know the overall figures for death certificates with covid are higher than the numbers in the 28 days column.
They're more likely to be on ons.gov.uk rather than the covid dashboard if you're looking.
 
rudd said:
Not to hand sorry. I know the overall figures for death certificates with covid are higher than the numbers in the 28 days column.
They're more likely to be on ons.gov.uk rather than the covid dashboard if you're looking.
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Found some info:

Between April 2020 and December 2020, 101 people under the age of 44 who had no pre-existing conditions died of Covid: Deaths of those under 60 from COVID-19 only - Office for National Statistics

Can only find stats for 0-64 in 2021 here: Pre-existing conditions of people who died due to COVID-19, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

For people under the age of 65 with no pre-existing conditions: 1,560 deaths in quarter 1, 153 in quarter 2 and 512 deaths in quarter 3. Total: 2,225.

I'd love to see those figures broken down further be age but can't find anything, I think it's a fair assumption that the vast majority of those deaths will be people pushing 60 rather than youngsters.

I've also found a couple of fact check sites such as Covid-19: Behind the death toll - Full Fact that state that up to March 2021, only 89 people under the age of 40 with no pre-existing health conditions had died of Covid in England.
 
rudd said:
1742 out of 2779 admissions under 40 were unvaccinated in the last three weeks of the year. No idea of health status, don't even know if the "underlying health issues" has been resolved as they previously included acne and depression.
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What about the difference between 2 jabs and boosted?
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Found some info:

Between April 2020 and December 2020, 101 people under the age of 44 who had no pre-existing conditions died of Covid: Deaths of those under 60 from COVID-19 only - Office for National Statistics

Can only find stats for 0-64 in 2021 here: Pre-existing conditions of people who died due to COVID-19, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

For people under the age of 65 with no pre-existing conditions: 1,560 deaths in quarter 1, 153 in quarter 2 and 512 deaths in quarter 3. Total: 2,225.

I'd love to see those figures broken down further be age but can't find anything, I think it's a fair assumption that the vast majority of those deaths will be people pushing 60 rather than youngsters.

I've also found a couple of fact check sites such as Covid-19: Behind the death toll - Full Fact that state that up to March 2021, only 89 people under the age of 40 with no pre-existing health conditions had died of Covid in England.
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Cheers, I'll have a look through watching the cricket.
scott934 said:
What about the difference between 2 jabs and boosted?
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Still nothing detailed publically available mate.
I was hoping the surveillance report that wasn't published last week was because they were pulling that data through but it looks like they just had a week off because the new one is out and doesn't include it.
 
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Behind Enemy Lines said:
Found some info:

Between April 2020 and December 2020, 101 people under the age of 44 who had no pre-existing conditions died of Covid: Deaths of those under 60 from COVID-19 only - Office for National Statistics

Can only find stats for 0-64 in 2021 here: Pre-existing conditions of people who died due to COVID-19, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

For people under the age of 65 with no pre-existing conditions: 1,560 deaths in quarter 1, 153 in quarter 2 and 512 deaths in quarter 3. Total: 2,225.

I'd love to see those figures broken down further be age but can't find anything, I think it's a fair assumption that the vast majority of those deaths will be people pushing 60 rather than youngsters.

I've also found a couple of fact check sites such as Covid-19: Behind the death toll - Full Fact that state that up to March 2021, only 89 people under the age of 40 with no pre-existing health conditions had died of Covid in England.
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do you have the same stats of healthy under 40's who have had serious problems with taking the vaccines?

Cumulative total of Weekly deaths by age band
Age BandsNumber of Deaths
<12
1-41
5-91
10-145
15-1911
20-2434
25-2970
30-34117
35-39195
40-44369
45-49694
50-541,284
55-592,186
60-643,231
65-694,596
70-747,633
75-7911,066
80-8415,374
85-8916,547
90+17,404
Notes

  1. Coding of deaths by cause for the latest week is not yet complete.
  2. For deaths registered from 1st January 2020, cause of death is coded to the ICD-10 classification using MUSE 5.5 software. Previous years were coded to IRIS 4.2.3, further information about the change in software is available.
  3. Deaths involving COVID-19 have been included within weekly death registrations figures due to the pandemic.
  4. Does not include deaths where age is either missing or not yet fully coded. For this reason counts of 'Persons', 'Males' and 'Females' may not sum to 'Total Deaths, all ages'.
  5. Does not include deaths of those resident outside England and Wales or those records where the place of residence is either missing or not yet fully coded. For this reason counts for "Deaths by Region of usual residence" may not sum to "Total deaths, all ages".
  6. These figures represent death registrations, there can be a delay between the date a death occurred and the date a death was registered. More information can be found in our impact of registration delays release.
  7. Figures in this table are added for the current week; data for previous weeks are not updated each week.

Deaths from COVID-19 by age band - Office for National Statistics

www.ons.gov.uk

* you cant say died with or because of covid because maybe covid had an effect and the person wouldn't have died if covid wasn't a factor, its a very grey area.

It will be interesting to note how many deaths the vaccine has caused in the under 50 bracket or even the under 40 bracket and since you cant look into a crystal ball, how many under 40's lives have been saved by taking the vaccine early, maybe looking at a countries death rate that didn't vaccinate as well as us would shed some light on this?

we saved lives by using the vaccine and I have no doubt we saved young peoples lives by using the vaccine, the combo between vaccine and natural protection is the sweet spot and what we need to aim for imo.
 
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chrismisterx said:
do you have the same stats of healthy under 40's who have had serious problems with taking the vaccines?

Cumulative total of Weekly deaths by age band
Age BandsNumber of Deaths
<12
1-41
5-91
10-145
15-1911
20-2434
25-2970
30-34117
35-39195
40-44369
45-49694
50-541,284
55-592,186
60-643,231
65-694,596
70-747,633
75-7911,066
80-8415,374
85-8916,547
90+17,404
Notes

  1. Coding of deaths by cause for the latest week is not yet complete.
  2. For deaths registered from 1st January 2020, cause of death is coded to the ICD-10 classification using MUSE 5.5 software. Previous years were coded to IRIS 4.2.3, further information about the change in software is available.
  3. Deaths involving COVID-19 have been included within weekly death registrations figures due to the pandemic.
  4. Does not include deaths where age is either missing or not yet fully coded. For this reason counts of 'Persons', 'Males' and 'Females' may not sum to 'Total Deaths, all ages'.
  5. Does not include deaths of those resident outside England and Wales or those records where the place of residence is either missing or not yet fully coded. For this reason counts for "Deaths by Region of usual residence" may not sum to "Total deaths, all ages".
  6. These figures represent death registrations, there can be a delay between the date a death occurred and the date a death was registered. More information can be found in our impact of registration delays release.
  7. Figures in this table are added for the current week; data for previous weeks are not updated each week.

Deaths from COVID-19 by age band - Office for National Statistics

www.ons.gov.uk

* you cant say died with or because of covid because maybe covid had an effect and the person wouldn't have died if covid wasn't a factor, its a very grey area.

It will be interesting to note how many deaths the vaccine has caused in the under 50 bracket or even the under 40 bracket and since you cant look into a crystal ball, how many under 40's lives have been saved by taking the vaccine early, maybe looking at a countries death rate that didn't vaccinate as well as us would shed some light on this?

we saved lives by using the vaccine and I have no doubt we saved young peoples lives by using the vaccine, the combo between vaccine and natural protection is the sweet spot and what we need to aim for imo.
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Under 40s deaths were minuscule pre-vaccine too, look up the stats in my previous post.

I can’t find any stats regarding deaths/health issues caused by the vaccines, I doubt they’re recorded. Would be interesting to be able to compare with the Covid stats.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Under 40s deaths were minuscule pre-vaccine too, look up the stats in my previous post.

I can’t find any stats regarding deaths/health issues caused by the vaccines, I doubt they’re recorded. Would be interesting to be able to compare with the Covid stats.
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thats what I found, cant find the vaccine stats, but I still think its misleading to not admit the vaccines have saved lives at all age ranges when they have been deployed, its very hard to compare mind, as when we didn't have the vaccine lockdowns and social distancing was used as our main defence, so its not like we let it rip through the younger population. Countries like SA who had a younger population and a low vaccine rate was hit hard, but without looking into it further I have no idea about the age split of the deaths over there.

Long covid is another unknown, so in my personal view with the limited data we have, I can hand on heart say the vaccines made a big difference for all age ranges and still will, maybe further data will come out that shows it really wasn't needed in the younger population, but i very much doubt it.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Under 40s deaths were minuscule pre-vaccine too, look up the stats in my previous post.

I can’t find any stats regarding deaths/health issues caused by the vaccines, I doubt they’re recorded. Would be interesting to be able to compare with the Covid stats.
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Of course they are recorded heres the link to the latest yellow card report on Covid vaccines

ADR report
 
I suspect we will move to a yearly booster for at least 50+ and at risk, if not everyone tbh. It’s relatively low effort in terms of the consequences of not doing so.

Conspiracy muppets would rather people needlessly die just so they can have something to rant about. Pretty sad that they’re happy for people to die just to fuel their conspiracies.
I suspect we will move to a yearly booster for at least 50+ and at risk, if not everyone tbh. It’s relatively low effort in terms of the consequences of not doing so.

Conspiracy muppets would rather people needlessly die just so they can have something to rant about. Pretty sad that they’re happy for people to die just to fuel their conspiracies.
 

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