My Boy Harry
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Yes, you did miss the point, presumably because you had no credible answer to my point.ceefax cat 2 said:taking the piss - that what people who miss the point do
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Yes, you did miss the point, presumably because you had no credible answer to my point.ceefax cat 2 said:taking the piss - that what people who miss the point do
My Boy Harry said:Some achievement that eh? It begs the question of who got us into the financial shite in the first place.
I noted in his interview that he implied that he didnt interfere with the managers targets, who plays etc. which is fair enough. however that sounded to me a bit like blaming Reid for the debacle we ended up in.
No one is asking Murray to choose who we buy or pick the team. what people like me clearly are asking is for the bloke to ask some pertinent questions when these players are bought...including making sure we can afford them.
Wheatley Hill East Durham said:His three biggest achievements are the stadium, academy and avoiding the fate of other relegated clubs -
how many relegations?
how much debt?
how many broken promises?
My Boy Harry said:Yes, you did miss the point, presumably because you had no credible answer to my point.
HBT the irony of this of course hasnt bene lost on a lot of us.Hetzkes Ballet Teacher said:Reid was probably the most responsible, but so was sheer bad luck - he spent just as football finances and player values started to collapse.
ceefax cat 2 said:one point about BM's post has not been considered. He has clearly now gone on record saying he has not had a serious offer to invest/take over the club.
for those who seem to believe there has been and this is 'murray shite' surely now would be the time to call his bluff and tell the press that they had made an approach.
Or perhaps he is telling the truth?
My Boy Harry said:HBT the irony of this of course hasnt bene lost on a lot of us.
some of us distinctly remember Murray indicating that the arse was about to drop out of football...he didnt take his own advice...and allowed the arse to drop out of SAFC.
ceefax cat 2 said:No - we just have a different view. You miss surely understand the difference between objective facts - safc are bottom of the league.
what does this mean?ceefax cat 2 said:
Whereas you think someone who may do better or worse should take over now (person unknown or undefined) is worth a try - that is a subjective view.
Your beliefs are low held and possible genuine but they have not yet reached the status of an objective fact.
The Exile said:It all depends on what he classes as a 'serious offer'. Surely these things start off as enquiries, then there's a bit of manouvering, and then a serious offer comes in. Refusing an enquiry means it doesn't get to the serious offer stage.
Plus he's got the get out of jail clause of only accepting offers that are in his judgement right for the club. How good has his judgement proved to be over the past two decades?
Providing the new incumbent is still warm and upright the bank will applythe same conditions. He brings nothing to the table. Just years of abject failure.ceefax cat 2 said:not quite true stubber. the banks could reduce the latitude they give us - resulting in less cah. They have the flexibility to do so particularly in the area of our overdraft (70% of our debt is a loan and unless we breech our covenents and cannot be called in) - the overdraft can be called tomorrow if the bank says so.
not saying the bank would call the overdraft -merely to say it is not necessarily true to say we will have no less cash if he left
ps the names john
What else would you have us advocate...that we just plough on with a team that just doesnt look up to it and hope for the best.ceefax cat 2 said:Agreed - he bizarrely about turned and followed the line of many on this board - throw money at players and it will be allright. How many people on this board are still advocating all mm needs is another 5m - having just spunked the last 5m on davis, stead and grey
My Boy Harry said:what does this mean?
The oibjective facts are that:
1. murray has presided over 5 relegations as a director/chairman.
2. He has presided over a £35m to £40m debt.
3. He has failed to make the club, in 20 years, a stable top flight club.
4. He has presided over the worst team to grace the premiership and the second worst in the history of English league football (as judged by consecutive defeats).
these are objective facts. I could of course go on but there is only so much bandwidth on here.
My Boy Harry said:HBT the irony of this of course hasnt bene lost on a lot of us.
some of us distinctly remember Murray indicating that the arse was about to drop out of football...he didnt take his own advice...and allowed the arse to drop out of SAFC.
ceefax cat 2 said:one point about BM's post has not been considered. He has clearly now gone on record saying he has not had a serious offer to invest/take over the club.
for those who seem to believe there has been and this is 'murray shite' surely now would be the time to call his bluff and tell the press that they had made an approach.
Or perhaps he is telling the truth?
My Boy Harry said:what does this mean?
The oibjective facts are that:
1. murray has presided over 5 relegations as a director/chairman.
2. He has presided over a £35m to £40m debt.
3. He has failed to make the club, in 20 years, a stable top flight club.
4. He has presided over the worst team to grace the premiership and the second worst in the history of English league football (as judged by consecutive defeats).
these are objective facts. I could of course go on but there is only so much bandwidth on here.
Hetzkes Ballet Teacher said:What you casually sidestep is that the board had always been willing to spend according to Reid's needs, it was *REID* who left it too late and then got it expensively wrong.
Youre probably right. I would have. However that still doesnt excuse Murray allowing Reid to stay on and make the fuckup that we became.Hetzkes Ballet Teacher said:
Putting it another way, if Reid hadnt bought Flo, etc, we'd have been relegated anyway and then you (etc) would have been attacking Murray for *not* allowing the spending.
Murray has still failed to give the fans their first demand...a team consistenly playing in the top flight of English football.ceefax cat 2 said:disagree to a point with 2. in the last 11 seasons we have been in the top 23 in england. this plus two 7th finishes is by some distance our best run since 1958 - the true pivotal moment in safc history
Hetzkes Ballet Teacher said:What you casually sidestep is that the board had always been willing to spend according to Reid's needs, it was *REID* who left it too late and then got it expensively wrong.
Putting it another way, if Reid hadnt bought Flo, etc, we'd have been relegated anyway and then you (etc) would have been attacking Murray for *not* allowing the spending.
---Nemo--- said:Are you Bob himself? You play around with words as much as he does
Nemo, I'm pleased you are giving the lad a grilling over this point.---Nemo--- said:
He hasn't mentioned a "take over" in either a positive or a negative sense, if he has could you please provide a link.
If you don't believe he's had an offer and would love someone to take over why do you think he's nimbly skipping around the words "Take Over" or "Buy Out" or for that matter "Step Down" or "Leave the Club" To me this implies that he may well have knocked folk back or at the very least he's not inviting anyone to come in and take it off his hands. IMO he blows his cover by continually using phrases such as "invest in" or "get involved".