The 2nd Part of the Murray Interview >>

Discussion in 'Gold' started by Premiership, Nov 12, 2005.

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  1. Premiership

    Premiership Guest

    Sunlunds youth set-up is shite.

    Even though we have a state of the art academy on our doorstep and thousands upon thousands of local lads who are very good and would die to play for the lads, our coaches still decide to make regular trips to Ireland to bring in the "talent"..

    FFS i wish they'd just walk up to Ashbrooke Playing Fields on a sunday..!!
  2. My Boy Harry

    My Boy Harry Striker and tatty IMHO.

    complete arse about tit policy to spend £20m on a building and then spend buttons on coaches and scouts.
  3. Nigle

    Nigle Midfield

    Why build the AoL, on a greenbelt site, where large concentrations of your biggest rivals supporters live? I also understood that the Sky share money was paying for the AoL.

    Surely, there was far better options in Co Durham for the AoL, and at afar cheaper cost.
  4. My Boy Harry

    My Boy Harry Striker

    All questions mate that have been asked over and over again. IMHO the whole thing has been a debacle from beginning to end.
  5. So what is the budget for coaches and scouts. You havent got a clue have you?

    Lets say we were to stay up for the next few seasons and pay the debts off. Do you think for one second that a major figure wouldnt be brought in to run the AOL and develop young talent?

    Again, the facility has been established and is permanent. That is the most important thing. The staff employed there will change (for all sorts of reasons) - that is inevitable.
  6. steve30000

    steve30000 Striker

    :lol: are you jesus?
  7. My Boy Harry

    My Boy Harry Striker

    Of course I havent got a clue, but it stands to reason that if they pay off the Zwamborm due to cost reasons then the bloke they asked to take over (who was promoted from the Under 17's/U 19's) will be on far less.

    why not keep Zwamborm on and peddle the bloke who runs the Under 19's? The reaosn is probably £50k, which in terms of spending £20m on the building is short sighted and chicken feed.
  8. Flavonoids

    Flavonoids Striker

    That doesn't make sense ... no-one lives on a greenbelt, it's 20 minutes walk to the stadium, or is this another County Durham heartland argument ? They've trained around there for years.

    Large concentration of rival supporters ? If true (and I haven't seen the study), is that affecting the academys performance ?
  9. My Boy Harry

    My Boy Harry Striker

    Flavenoids the alleged politicking that went on over this facility is well known. We could have made life a lot easier for ourselves by moving it to somewhere less contraversial.

    It didnt have to be in Cleadon/whitburn area.
  10. Flavonoids

    Flavonoids Striker

    I've no doubt, I was really questioning the large number of your rival supporters comment.
  11. My Boy Harry

    My Boy Harry Striker

    I didnt make the comment.
  12. Flavonoids

    Flavonoids Striker

    I know.
  13. Premiership

    Premiership Guest

    IMO it was nowt to dee with rival fans, as the whitburn area is predominantly red and white. It has to do with the fact is was built on a nice bit of green belt in a "well to do" area when there are plenty of poor looking areas in deprived areas that would have actually benefited from such an investment. I wouldnt be surprised if a lot of the red and white residents complained aswell as any stray mags.

    IMHO Murray is too concerned with keeping the support in 50/50 areas happy (same reason he wanted the stadium in washington) instead of concentrating on sound business and regional sense.
  14. Flavonoids

    Flavonoids Striker

    Maybe they didn't want their multi million pound (sic) property visting a deprived area, or their potential signings, visiting these areas.

    I'm not sure how a deprived area would have benefited ... although I know it's one of your favourite subjects.

    I don't know, and I don't know Murrays reasons.

    I don't know how much was spent getting it where it was, but it is a nice facility in a nice spot :-D
  15. Premiership

    Premiership Guest

    :confused: - Hows that like?

    As for not knowing how it would have benefited - just look at Southwick or Boldon (Asda, Cinema etc). Improvements can give people more pride in the area and lift it up slightly.

    You're right it is "nice". But it's not producing owt and isn't IMO worth the money. As quinn pointed out, we came 7th when training in portacabins.
  16. stubber

    stubber Striker

    That is a great point. Every fecker has academies these days. What was going to set the AoL apart from all the others was the guy running it. A man who had a track record in working with young 'uns. And Murray got rid of him to save money!!! Unbelievable!!!

    ***little yella fella shakes his heed in disbelief here***
  17. ---Nemo---

    ---Nemo--- Striker

    No, but you could try to be a little more accurate about what was being said. The existence of the AOL isn't worth a spit without talented people to run it. I didn't say he was the only one that could run it, I said Bob hoyed a fortune at some buildings and then promptly sacked the person he had said was the ideal man to run it in order to save buttons. Is that simple enough for you?

    Now, for the last time, exactly how do mere bricks and mortar produce quality footballers?
  18. ---Nemo---

    ---Nemo--- Striker

    Nivver mind, we'll find another quality person to run it when we're successful again, youth is the way to go here, Bob said so :confused: :lol:
  19. Nigle

    Nigle Midfield

    Thats new to me as I live in a protected greenbelt! My argument is that the AoL could have been built on a brownfield site, which there are many in Co Durham. I,m sure had this happened there would have been none of the protracted planning battles, caused by the concerned of South Tyneside not wanting the AoL in their backyard.
  20. As you well know I havent said that they do.

    Secondly, the AOL as a facility is way more than bricks and mortar - there are medical facilities, teaching facilities, etc, etc.

    Thirdly, as I already said, I cant recall a single player we've signed who hasn't raved about the facilities and given them as a reason for wanting to join (whether or not the signings have been good ones is a wholly separate issue - the issue here is that we have something, not someone, that attracts footballers by getting across that, ups and downs in form aside, we are a proper football club).

    Lastly, and again, a new AOL director can be appointed at any time consistent with our ability (when it returns) to pay for the best. But you cant do that unless you've got the actual facilities, which we now have.

    The AOL is a long term investment. It may and probably will be many years before it unearths a real gem of a young player, but when it eventually does, the difference it makes to the club as a whole will be staggering (look at what "unearthing" Rooney has done for England).
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