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absolutely but I'm thinking towards whether an appeal could succeed on the basis that it wasn't a clear and obvious goalscoring opportunity rather than mistaken identity. If it was clear and obvious then we couldn't have this debate so that, in itself, suggests it should be overturned.

You aren't figuring in the 'sunderland supporters are blind and biased' knackers factor on here. There is no debate anywhere in the slightest about whether or not it was a clear goalscoring opportunity away from a Sunderland supporters message board. It was as clear as it gets.

Another refereeing decision which could quite easily have cost us, I'm getting bored of it now as I am with the team and the whole premier league tbh, the season ended at Bradford for me.

It was one in our favour mate. Brown who wouldn't play on Tuesday due to fitness getting a one match ban rather than our skipper, organiser and maybe best player. Put a tick in the 'we got lucky' box on this one.
 
Although I agree Graham incident was a sending off,yesterday was more soo as,Falcao would have a shot on goal in the centre from about 10 yards out,Graham was wide of the goal with a lot more to do and it could be argued ball had ran through to keeper,so think yesterday was more of a sending off
:lol: There are levels of sending offness?
 
You aren't figuring in the 'sunderland supporters are blind and biased' knackers factor on here. There is no debate anywhere in the slightest about whether or not it was a clear goalscoring opportunity away from a Sunderland supporters message board. It was as clear as it gets.



It was one in our favour mate. Brown who wouldn't play on Tuesday due to fitness getting a one match ban rather than our skipper, organiser and maybe best player. Put a tick in the 'we got lucky' box on this one.
This really irks me though. A penalty was given so how was a goalscoring opportunity denied? You don't get a better opportunity than a penalty
 
This really irks me though. A penalty was given so how was a goalscoring opportunity denied? You don't get a better opportunity than a penalty

Yes - it was an innocuous challenge by O'Shea that was a foul but is it really worth a penalty, sending off and a ban? Not the refs fault of course but it does seem harsh for what it was.


Well anyone with a smidgen of common sense would know that was exactly what he meant. Trying to point score? Who would have thought?
 
You aren't figuring in the 'sunderland supporters are blind and biased' knackers factor on here. There is no debate anywhere in the slightest about whether or not it was a clear goalscoring opportunity away from a Sunderland supporters message board. It was as clear as it gets.



It was one in our favour mate. Brown who wouldn't play on Tuesday due to fitness getting a one match ban rather than our skipper, organiser and maybe best player. Put a tick in the 'we got lucky' box on this one.
I think I'd rather have had 11 men on the pitch like
 
I'm not feeling sorry for safc. We are where we are because of poor recruitment not because of refs.
I'm not going to defend poor performances from them though. You mention the word Instincts. He obviously didn't know what had happened. You can't just guess. Hull city will be furious if John o Shea finds the net on Tuesday. Mike Riley needs to address the issue tomorrow morning. The standard of referees is abysmal in the richest league in the world.

Think that's my point mate the game is simply too fast for the human eye,players too good at cheating making dives look like fouls,that extremely difficult for refs to be certain of anything,therefore a lot of decisions are educated guesses because with one look and split second to decide your instinct and first look is all you have got.

When a ref is not sure of pen decision and does not give anything certain people complain that he should book the player for diving so he can't win see,gives nothing because not sure and still gets criticised.

I do agree too many mistakes are made that is due to the difficulty of the job not the standard.

The very fact nobody could name very few good refs over the last 30 years just goes to show near enough impossible for refs nowadays to be seen as good.

Help is needed in the form of technology that is clear as day IMO.

:lol: There are levels of sending offness?

No,surely you are not disputing some sending offs are more clear than others?
 
Yes - it was an innocuous challenge by O'Shea that was a foul but is it really worth a penalty, sending off and a ban? Not the refs fault of course but it does seem harsh for what it was.



Well anyone with a smidgen of common sense would know that was exactly what he meant. Trying to point score? Who would have thought?
I'm teasing him, but I like your white knight riding.

Anyway, more of a sending off? I can't help that he consistently types rubbish and it's not my job to interpret what he actually means ... there's points at stake here.
 
I think I'd rather have had 11 men on the pitch like

Why not have 15 it would give us a better chance of winning. It would be breaking the rules but so would having 11 after tripping one of their players and denying them a goalscoring opportunity. Just be thankful he sent the player off that we wont need on Tuesday.
 
Why not have 15 it would give us a better chance of winning. It would be breaking the rules but so would having 11 after tripping one of their players and denying them a goalscoring opportunity. Just be thankful he sent the player off that we wont need on Tuesday.
Are you saying Oshea stopped a goal scoring opportunity just before wes brown fouled him as the last man?
 
You aren't figuring in the 'sunderland supporters are blind and biased' knackers factor on here. There is no debate anywhere in the slightest about whether or not it was a clear goalscoring opportunity away from a Sunderland supporters message board. It was as clear as it gets.



It was one in our favour mate. Brown who wouldn't play on Tuesday due to fitness getting a one match ban rather than our skipper, organiser and maybe best player. Put a tick in the 'we got lucky' box on this one.
Just because someone else was sent off, a penalty was awarded and we benefit doesn't mean it wasn't a howler from East. like I've said Mike Riley should be demanding answers and explantion as to how he came up with the decision he did. The fact on the day, (in a roundabout way) justice was done should be irrelevant. Plus don't forget Hull on Tueday. Potentially a player who shouldn't be playing could affect the game.
 
Just because someone else was sent off, a penalty was awarded and we benefit doesn't mean it wasn't a howler from East. like I've said Mike Riley should be demanding answers and explantion as to how he came up with the decision he did. The fact on the day, (in a roundabout way) justice was done should be irrelevant. Plus don't forget Hull on Tueday. Potentially a player who shouldn't be playing could affect the game.

Thought a explanation had already been given
 
Well that was my point,somebody had suggested Graham was a more clear sending off offence,IMO yesterday's was more clear as player more likely to score.
Oh, I thought you meant easier to see, like a punch or a nut as opposed to a handball or trip. A sending off either is or isn't - discounting the face saving interpretation of course.
 
Just because someone else was sent off, a penalty was awarded and we benefit doesn't mean it wasn't a howler from East. like I've said Mike Riley should be demanding answers and explantion as to how he came up with the decision he did. The fact on the day, (in a roundabout way) justice was done should be irrelevant. Plus don't forget Hull on Tueday. Potentially a player who shouldn't be playing could affect the game.

I'm not disagreeing - just patting down those that for some reason feel that we have been on the wrong end of things here. If I was Hull and saw O'Shea and Brown both playing I would think it was disgarceful (probably wont happen down to Brown's fitness)

Oh, I thought you meant easier to see, like a punch or a nut as opposed to a handball or trip. A sending off either is or isn't - discounting the face saving interpretation of course.

Acid wit and sarcasm acting as a smokescreen for not having the slightest clue about football.
 
Oh, I thought you meant easier to see, like a punch or a nut as opposed to a handball or trip. A sending off either is or isn't - discounting the face saving interpretation of course.

Many a time a sending off will be a matter of opinion as this board has proved lots of times

And when you have only a split second to form that opinion mistakes will be made
 
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