TBF to Roger East


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Rather not appeal tbh, JOS better than Brown these days and we're not going to get the kind of benefit Gibbs did.
Not 100% sure, but because the ref mentioned that he saw the OShea foul too but did nothing about it and it wasn't violent conduct or anything, then don't think they can retrospectively ban OShea.
 
There is absolutely no defence for the referee. To be fair, he's done us a favour...if he'd sent of o'shea he'd be banned for the next few games but this way nether o'shea or brown will be suspended (unless the fa show an unprecedented level of fuckwittery).
Why am I laughing at this? You just know they will come up with some sloppy bullshit.
 
I'm certain it wouldn't happen at the other end. You're right in saying the net result was correct - a Sunderland player being dismissed and a penalty being awarded. I don't dispute that. However the process of that decision was totally incorrect. That should be a massive cause for concern going forward and it raises a lot of questions about Roger East and what was going on in his head yesterday.

How can you be certain it would not happen at the other end ?the ref had one look and just give it as he seen it,yes he made an error and send off wrong player,however like you say we you don't dispute it was a pen or sending off so why make a issue out of it.

For you to say he was dying to punch the air when Rooney scored is frankly just stupid on your part
 
Considering how much of an awful decision it looks to send Brown off instead of O'Shea, looking at the angle he saw it from, I can see why he gave it the way he did. It does look like 2 fouls with Brown being the one that eventually brings Falcao down (from East's full pace, one view angle), not good enough but human error and not fair to always blame referees. This is the sort of decision that could easily, and immediately, be rectified by a 4th official/technology. Been proven to work with goal line technology. Obviously there must be a line to it as there are times people disagree after seeing multiple slowed down replays, but if anything that just emphasises how tough it is for refs to make split second decisions under pressure. If the governing bodies can work out a system that suits immediate replays for obvious fouls/cards etc it would be majorly beneficial to the game.

Regardless of who fouled who, we had 2 defenders right there so was never in a million years a red card for anyone.
Keith Hackett, former head of the referees made that point on 5 live this morning.

Last week v Hull it was a clear red card, last man, no other defenders and a playing actually stretching out to reach Graham.
 
Regardless of who fouled who, we had 2 defenders right there so was never in a million years a red card for anyone.
Keith Hackett, former head of the referees made that point on 5 live this morning.

Last week v Hull it was a clear red card, last man, no other defenders and a playing actually stretching out to reach Graham.
I did wonder about the last man scenario. Where if they were both that close to him then there would have possibly been a covering defender which would have got rid of the whole red card issue anyway.
 
I did wonder about the last man scenario. Where if they were both that close to him then there would have possibly been a covering defender which would have got rid of the whole red card issue anyway.

They were both behind him though so no one was covering surely it is beyond and dispute that if he was not fouled he would have a good chance of scoring.
 
How can you be certain it would not happen at the other end ?the ref had one look and just give it as he seen it,yes he made an error and send off wrong player,however like you say we you don't dispute it was a pen or sending off so why make a issue out of it.

For you to say he was dying to punch the air when Rooney scored is frankly just stupid on your part
He gave what he saw? You must be crazy! How could he see something that didn't happen?
I'm making an issue because the process of making the decision is completely wrong and he's failed to correct himself even after the game. Mike Riley should be worried and want answers. He won't be doing his job if he just thinks 'ah well he sent someone off and gave a penalty.' Next week he could make a mistake that is more costly, that isn't cancelled out and deemed ok.
I was just having a bit of humor about him punching the air. But do you honestly think we would get the same decision attacking the stretford end? If you do you must be a really nice innocent positive guy. Some might say naive.
 
Regardless of who fouled who, we had 2 defenders right there so was never in a million years a red card for anyone.
Keith Hackett, former head of the referees made that point on 5 live this morning.

Last week v Hull it was a clear red card, last man, no other defenders and a playing actually stretching out to reach Graham.

Although I agree Graham incident was a sending off,yesterday was more soo as,Falcao would have a shot on goal in the centre from about 10 yards out,Graham was wide of the goal with a lot more to do and it could be argued ball had ran through to keeper,so think yesterday was more of a sending off
 
They were both behind him though so no one was covering surely it is beyond and dispute that if he was not fouled he would have a good chance of scoring.

I do think he was fouled and should have been a pen, if Oshea didn't drag him back then probably would have, but being so close it would have been possible for Brown to get a covering tackle in.
Saying that, can understand why the ref would see a sending off opportunity with just one look, but obviously get the right bloke.
 
He gave what he saw? You must be crazy! How could he see something that didn't happen?
I'm making an issue because the process of making the decision is completely wrong and he's failed to correct himself even after the game. Mike Riley should be worried and want answers. He won't be doing his job if he just thinks 'ah well he sent someone off and gave a penalty.' Next week he could make a mistake that is more costly, that isn't cancelled out and deemed ok.
I was just having a bit of humor about him punching the air. But do you honestly think we would get the same decision attacking the stretford end? If you do you must be a really nice innocent positive guy. Some might say naive.

I said gave as he seen it,which means from his one angle his instincts and one look he thought it was a pen,that is all you can ask a ref to give what his instincts and first look tells him because that is all he has to go off.

Mind do agree should have admitted mistake after the game


It is absolutely impossible to know what would have happened if been at the other end,but I am sick of this pathetic feeling sorry for ourselves,you seen last week Burnley get all the wrong decisions against Chelsea because the ref just went with his instincts and first look,nothing to do with big club etc.
 
They were both behind him though so no one was covering surely it is beyond and dispute that if he was not fouled he would have a good chance of scoring.

The covering defender, in these cases, are normally always behind the attacking player. If they're stood in front of the attacker then the debate doesn't even begin. The question is normally whether the covering defender could have intervened and had Falcao remained on his feet then I think it was possible for Brown to pinch the ball. Not saying it would have happened but it was possible. Brown was virtually side-by-side with Falcao. Clear and obvious goalscoring opportunity? Not convinced.
 
Regardless of who fouled who, we had 2 defenders right there so was never in a million years a red card for anyone.
Keith Hackett, former head of the referees made that point on 5 live this morning.

Last week v Hull it was a clear red card, last man, no other defenders and a playing actually stretching out to reach Graham.

Don't agree on either point. There is no way Brown could have got to the ball before Falcao got a shot away. Nailed on red card for anyone that isn't in small section of blind, or biased Sunderland fans.

Last week it was clear to me (admittedly after seeing it later on TV), the ref, loads of our fans and the entire media that the keeper would get to the ball before Graham.
 
The covering defender, in these cases, are normally always behind the attacking player. If they're stood in front of the attacker then the debate doesn't even begin. The question is normally whether the covering defender could have intervened and had Falcao remained on his feet then I think it was possible for Brown to pinch the ball. Not saying it would have happened but it was possible. Brown was virtually side-by-side with Falcao. Clear and obvious goalscoring opportunity? Not convinced.

I disagree,but can see your point,the reason you are not convinced is because you have had a long time to weigh up the possibilities and look at where Brown and OShea was etc.

However the ref has one look and split second to decide,perfectly understandable from his angle that Falcao looked to be ahead of both players and would have scored if not been fouled,in fact that's what I think would have happened.
 
Ref's done us a favour. Definite penalty and red card. Sent the lesser of the two chuckle brothers off. No way will we appeal it as Brown wouldn't start two games in a week anyway. Thanks Rog.:D
Pretty sure we can appeal and because the referee has already taken action on the incident then no retrospective bans can be given. So basically we just have to appeal the red and we'll have both available for Tuesday. Class when referee fuck ups work in our favour isn't it :lol:
 
Youb can see with your own eyes what was deserved. A foull by OShea



Another pathetic, biased knacker. Was their player fouled? Yes. Did it deny a clear golalscoring opportunity? Yes. Was a penalty and a sending off a correct decision? WTF are you moaning about man?

If East sent off the wrong man does this not go down as one in our favour considering OShea has probably been our best player this season? Man U were robbed and we were dead jammy.
Not a clear goal scoring opportunity
 
I disagree,but can see your point,the reason you are not convinced is because you have had a long time to weigh up the possibilities and look at where Brown and OShea was etc.

However the ref has one look and split second to decide,perfectly understandable from his angle that Falcao looked to be ahead of both players and would have scored if not been fouled,in fact that's what I think would have happened.

absolutely but I'm thinking towards whether an appeal could succeed on the basis that it wasn't a clear and obvious goalscoring opportunity rather than mistaken identity. If it was clear and obvious then we couldn't have this debate so that, in itself, suggests it should be overturned.
 
Not a clear goal scoring opportunity

He would have had a shot on goal if not fouled!

Not sure what more you want for a clear goal scoring opportunity

absolutely but I'm thinking towards whether an appeal could succeed on the basis that it wasn't a clear and obvious goalscoring opportunity rather than mistaken identity. If it was clear and obvious then we couldn't have this debate so that, in itself, suggests it should be overturned.

Think he would have scored if not fouled so therefore goal scoring opportunity for me.
 
Another refereeing decision which could quite easily have cost us, I'm getting bored of it now as I am with the team and the whole premier league tbh, the season ended at Bradford for me.
 
I said gave as he seen it,which means from his one angle his instincts and one look he thought it was a pen,that is all you can ask a ref to give what his instincts and first look tells him because that is all he has to go off.

Mind do agree should have admitted mistake after the game


It is absolutely impossible to know what would have happened if been at the other end,but I am sick of this pathetic feeling sorry for ourselves,you seen last week Burnley get all the wrong decisions against Chelsea because the ref just went with his instincts and first look,nothing to do with big club etc.
I'm not feeling sorry for safc. We are where we are because of poor recruitment not because of refs.
I'm not going to defend poor performances from them though. You mention the word Instincts. He obviously didn't know what had happened. You can't just guess. Hull city will be furious if John o Shea finds the net on Tuesday. Mike Riley needs to address the issue tomorrow morning. The standard of referees is abysmal in the richest league in the world.
 
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