TBF to Roger East


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If the institution claim it was a Brown who made the offence we should be more the entitled to claim not so, hence an incorrect decision. Let's be honest the red and his cohorts have made yet another monumental fuck up, just suprised Kevin Friend didn't pop up somewhere

Kevin Friend wasn't there but Martin Atkinson was and did converse with the ref apparently. With that in mind, it's hardly surprising they reached this decision...
 
Bollocks it was a ridiculous decision keeping in form with the rest of the naff ref calls weve had


f***ing hell man one of our players hacks down one of there's. He has a clear goal scoring opportunity. Its absolutely fair that they get a penalty and we get a man sent off. We twist on 21 much more than any other set of fans ever. Its absolutely embarrassing and shameful.
 
f***ing hell man one of our players hacks down one of there's. He has a clear goal scoring opportunity. Its absolutely fair that they get a penalty and we get a man sent off. We twist on 21 much more than any other set of fans ever. Its absolutely embarrassing and shameful.
Calm down - I wasn't defending the pen decision but the wrong sending off which in my mind is not surprising considering some of the horrendous ref decisions already highlighted
 
f***ing hell man one of our players hacks down one of there's. He has a clear goal scoring opportunity. Its absolutely fair that they get a penalty and we get a man sent off. We twist on 21 much more than any other set of fans ever. Its absolutely embarrassing and shameful.
Apart from the obvious goal scoring bit, I agree. If Wes & O'Shea were both there, there had to be potential cover.

Penalty & book O'Shea should have been the call. No way could the ref call a penalty against Brown as he couldn't possibly see if there was definitely a foul.
 
There is no way he could clearly see whether or not Brown had fouled, well quite obviously as it turns out cos he didn't. He clearly saw O'Shea fouling. By their own rules, refs are only meant to give a decision if they are certain, he had the opportunity to do the right thing, fucked it up and is now embroiled in a shit storm of his own making.

Penalty, yellow to O'Shea, United score, nothing more to discuss.

He's his own worst enemy here.
Yes.
 
Apart from the obvious goal scoring bit, I agree. If Wes & O'Shea were both there, there had to be potential cover.

Penalty & book O'Shea should have been the call. No way could the ref call a penalty against Brown as he couldn't possibly see if there was definitely a foul.

well he said he called it for the brown 'foul' which to me says he totally missed JoS fouling, he in no way had a clear view of brown therefore he could not be 100% sure so i am now wondering exactly why he gave the penalty let alone send a man off.

before anyone jumps in here, yes it was a foul and a penalty and i expected a red for JoS but i am going off the ref's own words which only make a complete mockery of the whole thing...and i also figured JoS was getting the red well before any replays.
 
the worst thing about it all is that the ref will not admit that an error was made
there's obviously going to be mistakes made by refs
it would be nice if they were honest enough to admit them

the honesty thing is more alarming than the mistake
 
Considering how much of an awful decision it looks to send Brown off instead of O'Shea, looking at the angle he saw it from, I can see why he gave it the way he did. It does look like 2 fouls with Brown being the one that eventually brings Falcao down (from East's full pace, one view angle), not good enough but human error and not fair to always blame referees. This is the sort of decision that could easily, and immediately, be rectified by a 4th official/technology. Been proven to work with goal line technology. Obviously there must be a line to it as there are times people disagree after seeing multiple slowed down replays, but if anything that just emphasises how tough it is for refs to make split second decisions under pressure. If the governing bodies can work out a system that suits immediate replays for obvious fouls/cards etc it would be majorly beneficial to the game.


He guessed, I dont think referees are supposed to do that, I am starting to wonder if he saw anything
 
Considering how much of an awful decision it looks to send Brown off instead of O'Shea, looking at the angle he saw it from, I can see why he gave it the way he did. It does look like 2 fouls with Brown being the one that eventually brings Falcao down (from East's full pace, one view angle), not good enough but human error and not fair to always blame referees. This is the sort of decision that could easily, and immediately, be rectified by a 4th official/technology. Been proven to work with goal line technology. Obviously there must be a line to it as there are times people disagree after seeing multiple slowed down replays, but if anything that just emphasises how tough it is for refs to make split second decisions under pressure. If the governing bodies can work out a system that suits immediate replays for obvious fouls/cards etc it would be majorly beneficial to the game.

Good post IMO,total common sense ,mistakes every week prove exactly what you say that it just emphasises how tough it is for refs to make spilt second decisions under pressure.

f***ing hell man one of our players hacks down one of there's. He has a clear goal scoring opportunity. Its absolutely fair that they get a penalty and we get a man sent off. We twist on 21 much more than any other set of fans ever. Its absolutely embarrassing and shameful.

It gets worse and worse every week,mind don't think we worse than any other fans,think a lot of fans twist like you say.
 
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At the time, you could see why it was given the way it was.

2+ hours after the game though and he's still claiming he meant to send Wes Brown off (for a non-existent foul)??

Well if you can understand why he did it then the explanation later makes sense to you surely?
 
There is absolutely no defence for the referee. To be fair, he's done us a favour...if he'd sent of o'shea he'd be banned for the next few games but this way nether o'shea or brown will be suspended (unless the fa show an unprecedented level of fuckwittery).
 
statement from the PGMOL read: “From his position Roger East, the match referee, believed he saw contact from John O’Shea and Wes Brown on Radamel Falcao.

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Well if you can understand why he did it then the explanation later makes sense to


As he thought Brown made a foul on Falcao while he was in the act of shooting, he dismissed Brown. After the incident, the match referee consulted with his team of officials but none were better placed to offer guidance.”
 
Considering how much of an awful decision it looks to send Brown off instead of O'Shea, looking at the angle he saw it from, I can see why he gave it the way he did. It does look like 2 fouls with Brown being the one that eventually brings Falcao down (from East's full pace, one view angle), not good enough but human error and not fair to always blame referees. This is the sort of decision that could easily, and immediately, be rectified by a 4th official/technology. Been proven to work with goal line technology. Obviously there must be a line to it as there are times people disagree after seeing multiple slowed down replays, but if anything that just emphasises how tough it is for refs to make split second decisions under pressure. If the governing bodies can work out a system that suits immediate replays for obvious fouls/cards etc it would be majorly beneficial to the game.

I switched on the TV to see Shearer, Linekar and Guillit talking about it on MotD and it clearly shows O'Shea was the one who went in. Brown was nowhere near.

Anyway, you can't have two players surely tackle a player at the same time. One has to make the challenge. It has to be one or the other.
 
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