Takeover News/Rumours


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Seen a few people mention how well off Sartori is. He’s a wealthy man but not sure about liquid cash though.

That's why I think they'll keep the FPP loan and have a view to doing more in the future.

Do you remember when Donald said that if we got promoted he hoped FPP would do more with us? It was such an odd choice of words. In the context of MSD's strategy in football, I wonder if that referred to increasing the loan facility as we progress.
 
It's a bit early to be on the crystal meth man!

"He is currently managing director, global football, at City Football Group."

how do you know he won't be for much longer ? city are falling behind the top teams season on season ! and someone's head will roll for it. pep has spent 825 million in 4 years, and they are pretty average atm
and if you read my post properly, I didn't say he was coming, I said others have said it 'may happen. big difference !
and again, I said OTHERS, not ME that has said it
I mean id absolutely love marwood to come here but i cannot see that happening at all mind. He has one of the best (and probably best paid) jobs in football working for some of the richest in the world.

I mean if he does come we would certainly mean business.

it would be a real coup mate !
like I've said, it could just be total bollocks, but we live in hope i suppose ;)
 
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We still don't have any confirmation but I think pretty much all of the ITK's have acknowledged it's going to be something closer to this than the mythical super-takeover.
They will be a lot closer than those that said there was nowt happening. What's a super-takeover BTW. I wasn't aware there where different levels. Is Juan not taking over.
 
That's why I think they'll keep the FPP loan and have a view to doing more in the future.

Do you remember when Donald said that if we got promoted he hoped FPP would do more with us? It was such an odd choice of words. In the context of MSD's strategy in football, I wonder if that referred to increasing the loan facility as we progress.

Thing is, if it was only ever the fairly safe (for FPP) option of loaning money, it begs the question of why they didn't just loan it through MSD as they have with the other clubs. Setting up their own company especially for it seems a strange move in that context, they haven't got an FPP Derby or owt. If they wanted to buy a club it would make more sense to set up themselves, especially because the risk would be higher and they wouldn't necessarily want to do that under MSD where they likely have to provide a return for shareholders (and because if they got it right, they'd want the profits for themselves) .
 
Thing is, if it was only ever the fairly safe (for FPP) option of loaning money, it begs the question of why they didn't just loan it through MSD as they have with the other clubs. Setting up their own company especially for it seems a strange move in that context, they haven't got an FPP Derby or owt. If they wanted to buy a club it would make more sense to set up themselves, especially because the risk would be higher and they wouldn't necessarily want to do that under MSD where they likely have to provide a return for shareholders (and because if they got it right, they'd want the profits for themselves) .

I don't think it was 'only ever' going to be a loan, but that it became one, think we've discussed it a few times.

They came in wanting to take a look with a potential view to buying us. When they got in the books they were spooked enough to say 'this isn't for us' and offered a loan instead of an outright bid to buy us.

Then it's unlikely to be a coincidence that all three are still on the board (Furhman as honorary chairman) of a company who have subsequently done two more of these exact deals and are apparently looking to do more.
They will be a lot closer than those that said there was nowt happening. What's a super-takeover BTW. I wasn't aware there where different levels. Is Juan not taking over.

Agreed on the first bit.

The 'super takeover' was just Magnus's original % for the deal of

Furhman 74%
Sartori 20%
Rybolovlev 6%
Dell to follow
O'Brien to join.
 
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I don't think it was 'only ever' going to be a loan, but that it became one, think we've discussed it a few times.

They came in wanting to take a look with a potential view to buying us. When they got in the books they were spooked enough to say 'this isn't for us' and offered a loan instead of an outright bid to buy us.

Then it's unlikely to be a coincidence that all three are still on the board (Furhman as honorary chairman) of a company who have subsequently done two more of these exact deals and are apparently looking to do more.

That's fair enough, but once it became obvious that they weren't going to buy the club, you'd wonder why they wouldn't revert to simply loaning through MSD, unless they did it through FPP because they wanted to keep the option of buying it later
 
Absolutely. This is where we as fans need to be much sharper. We should welcome new owners but shouldn’t wave through whatever shite they come up with just because they’re not the dreadful Donald regime. This is why the marwood speculation worries me. An ageing north east native returning to the area for a big payday having given a nebulous impression of success at a top league club at some point in the past. Makes me start worrying who the modern equivalent of Alan Kennedy is tbh. We absolutely need to Safc fanbase to sharpen up at this time of change. Call bullshit out as bullshit and don’t fall for tokenism and pandering.
Yep. They need to earn the trust of the fans, not be given unwavering support just because they've bought someone a drink at a liaison meeting or in the hilton after a game.
 
That's fair enough, but once it became obvious that they weren't going to buy the club, you'd wonder why they wouldn't revert to simply loaning through MSD, unless they did it through FPP because they wanted to keep the option of buying it later
While its an interesting take on the FPP involvement,im not sure they are gonna play a part at all in the near future.In fact until some solid info comes out we are still all just speculating .We are relying on rumours as usual.
 
That's fair enough, but once it became obvious that they weren't going to buy the club, you'd wonder why they wouldn't revert to simply loaning through MSD, unless they did it through FPP because they wanted to keep the option of buying it later

Possibly because it wasn't intended as a wider strategy at the time.

They got access to a premier league team's books (the Short years), decided to do the loan to us as a low risk recce and get a term sheet together, and then decided later that it was worth considering MSD doing scaled up versions of it.
 
Ellis Short to return as he has unfinished business?

I don’t believe it for a second but a mate who does have “some” connections in football told me there was a rumour doing the rounds that Short could be tempted back with the right football people. Has to be a load of old bollocks mind
 
I mean one explanation for the 'serious money' behind our new owner would be that Sartori has a lot and has access to more.

But this isn't entirely about money, it's about people wanting to be here, do the right thing, take bold steps and get us promoted etc. If he can do those things we'd be happy. If he can't or doesn't, we will be angry at this deal in future if it feels like a Donald-run operation.

So if Sartori is coming in, he needs to change the culture ASAP. One way would be to bring in a big name. I doubt it's Marwood personally but anyone with credible football experience would be a start.

Oh, and I do think again the absolute f***ing gall of these lads doing it the day after the window shuts. Again, the signs have always pointed towards something a bit more underwhelming than magnus's fabled dream team of FPP-Sartori-Rybolovlev-MSD-O'brien.

I think we'll see:

Sartori majority
Donald around 20-30%
Methven 6%
FPP loan continues or paid off

I think Charlie will be gone. I think he's the one feeding the rumours as he just wants it done so he can get his money out to move onto something else.
 
First thing any new owner should do is write it into the clubs principles that by 2026 the first team match day squad will always include 5 homegrown players. Any new owner can’t start pumping money into buying players (look where that’s got us before) but they can start building an infrastructure immediately. If we came out with a policy like this it would instantly attract more young players to the club. If any kid out there is currently having to make a choice around which local club they want to join we are miles behind Newcastle or Middlesbrough... which is awful bearing in mind we were miles ahead only a few years back.
 
I don’t believe it for a second but a mate who does have “some” connections in football told me there was a rumour doing the rounds that Short could be tempted back with the right football people. Has to be a load of old bollocks mind

From the very little I've heard I would say that is an absolute non starter. I'm almost as certain as can be that Short will never get involved again. By all accounts he seems to be a decent bloke, still follows the results, is gutted at how things ended up, but I don't think he's any more confident he'd randomly get it right this time and wouldn't want to risk losing loads again to find out.
 
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