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A study was commissioned in 2007 which showed that of the £1.6 Billion in disposable income the people of Sunderland generate every year, £1.3 Billion is spent in Newcastle and The Metrocentre while only £300 million is spent in our own shops. So Sunderland City Centre is currently operating at around one fifth of its true potential - while the City of Newcastle is doing very, very well out of Sunderland.

Mate even with evidence like that some of the clueless lot on here will still say otherwise ;)
 
A study was commissioned in 2007 which showed that of the £1.6 Billion in disposable income the people of Sunderland generate every year, £1.3 Billion is spent in Newcastle and The Metrocentre while only £300 million is spent in our own shops. So Sunderland City Centre is currently operating at around one fifth of its true potential - while the City of Newcastle is doing very, very well out of Sunderland.

Do you have a link to the report please?
Amazed that nobody from Sunderland spends any disposable income anywhere but Sunderland, Newcastle or the Metrocentre. I'm convinced I once spent some in Leeds and maybe went abroad once or twice, I think I once even stumbled on something called Amazon and spent something there.
They probably forgot to ask me.
 
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What makes you think I know anyone who works for the council?
I've tried to address the issues you are having but you persist with the insults and blaming the council.
How far has this approach got you? Do you find it works?
As an aside, how often do you visit cities like Leeds, Newcastle, London etc?



TBF it's not them with the failing business.

My business is anything but failing, your lack of research has let you down again ;) and you still have not given any pertinent answers to any of the questions as to why Sunderland council are letting the City Centre rot, you'd rather try and make snide remarks which show just what a snidey clown you are, there are some here that can see that there is something sadly wrong with the Labour council that's ruining this once proud city, and when I speak to other shopkeepers that are worried about their business going under then that gets me well pissed off, 1 in 5 shops empty in the city centre, soon to be a quarter, still lets see if your snide remarks can help those poor sods who are going under.
 
My business is anything but failing, your lack of research has let you down again ;) and you still have not given any pertinent answers to any of the questions as to why Sunderland council are letting the City Centre rot, you'd rather try and make snide remarks which show just what a snidey clown you are, there are some here that can see that there is something sadly wrong with the Labour council that's ruining this once proud city, and when I speak to other shopkeepers that are worried about their business going under then that gets me well pissed off, 1 in 5 shops empty in the city centre, soon to be a quarter, still lets see if your snide remarks can help those poor sods who are going under.

My answer is they are not "letting the City Centre rot".
Like it or not, we are a poor city in a recession. Shops will go under if they are not viable.
You want the council to spend money but have not indicated what on or where the money is coming from? You have suggested cutting the staff of the council by a third but have also complained that there aren't enough people picking up litter. How will that work?
You have agreed with "evidence" that is blatantly wrong to try and prove a point. Formulate an argument, cut out the swearing and anger and present it in a coherent fashion and I (and maybe even the council) might take you seriously.
If you are happy believing conspiracy theories and 'facts' that are wrong, carry on. I think your time would be more constructively spent thinking positively.
 
Without wanting to really get involved with the ins and outs of Sunderland Labour Council and it´s failings i think the the demise of the city probably has more to do with the demise of Ship building, mining and the other heavy industries. This can not be pinned on the current council. How this demise is being managed now i honestly do not know.
 
My answer is they are not "letting the City Centre rot".
Like it or not, we are a poor city in a recession. Shops will go under if they are not viable.
You want the council to spend money but have not indicated what on or where the money is coming from? You have suggested cutting the staff of the council by a third but have also complained that there aren't enough people picking up litter. How will that work?
You have agreed with "evidence" that is blatantly wrong to try and prove a point. Formulate an argument, cut out the swearing and anger and present it in a coherent fashion and I (and maybe even the council) might take you seriously.
If you are happy believing conspiracy theories and 'facts' that are wrong, carry on. I think your time would be more constructively spent thinking positively.

Cut business rates, cut middle management and put more people on the streets doing front line work.
As i said previously Sunderland council has almost £90 million stashed for a rainy day, it's time for them to get out their umbrellas.
And there is no theory, walk around and you'll find it's very much fact.

Without wanting to really get involved with the ins and outs of Sunderland Labour Council and it´s failings i think the the demise of the city probably has more to do with the demise of Ship building, mining and the other heavy industries. This can not be pinned on the current council. How this demise is being managed now i honestly do not know.

Have you checked the date on your calender lately, or even in the last 2 decades?
 
The report was commissioned by Sunderland City council to discover just how much money Sunderland was hemorrhaging every year. It was never published online but references to it were made in the Sunderland Echo at the time.

If you want a copy you can use this website to acquire one from the Council: http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/sunderland_city_council


KEEP THE MONEY HERE


Published on Friday 30 April 2004 16:12

HOLMESIDE'S new shopping centre will help stop a billion pounds leaking out of Sunderland's economy every year.

Research for city development body Sunderland arc has suggested that half-a-million more square feet of shopping space would see a huge jump in spending in the city.

The extra space is the equivalent of five Bridges-sized Debenhams .

Sunderland ranks fourth in the regional spending league, behind Newcastle, the MetroCentre and Middlesbrough, and developing Holmeside would see it move up .

The research has also estimated that 284.1million was spent on city shopping last year, yet up to a 1billion is flowing out of Sunderland to Newcastle and the MetroCentre.

Researchers Montagu Evans said the city's population size would support two high-quality department stores, but it lacks the range of retailers that would attract customers and define the city as a major shopping destination.

The researchers added: "The proximity of Newcastle city centre and the MetroCentre to Sunderland, according to recent estimates, is responsible for an expenditure leakage on retail goods of up to 1 billion."

The arc expects to lodge outline plans with Sunderland Council later this year for the 135 million scheme that would include a new department store, a supermarket, more shops and housing.

Jonathan Bretherton, its deputy chief executive, said interest was strong from several big shopping chains but he declined to be drawn on any names.

"Our Holmeside scheme will deliver an initial step-change to the overall retail core of Sunderland but in the long term the improvement will be incremental."

Peter Gouldsbro, city centre manager, said: "Plans spearheaded by Sunderland arc will undoubtedly provide the opportunity for Sunderland city centre to take a tremendous leap forward.

"Retail is at the heart of the city centre and if the massive investment is coupled with attracting the top echelon of retail then there's no doubt Sunderland will seriously challenge the major regional centres of Newcastle and the Metro Centre."






Do you have a link to the report please?
Amazed that nobody from Sunderland spends any disposable income anywhere but Sunderland, Newcastle or the Metrocentre. I'm convinced I once spent some in Leeds and maybe went abroad once or twice, I think I once even stumbled on something called Amazon and spent something there.
They probably forgot to ask me.

There are far more jobs in Sunderland now than there were in the 1970's - the loss of heavy industry has got nothing to do with it.


Cut business rates, cut middle management and put more people on the streets doing front line work.
As i said previously Sunderland council has almost £90 million stashed for a rainy day, it's time for them to get out their umbrellas.
And there is no theory, walk around and you'll find it's very much fact.



Have you checked the date on your calender lately, or even in the last 2 decades?
 
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My answer is they are not "letting the City Centre rot".
Like it or not, we are a poor city in a recession. Shops will go under if they are not viable.
You want the council to spend money but have not indicated what on or where the money is coming from? You have suggested cutting the staff of the council by a third but have also complained that there aren't enough people picking up litter. How will that work?
You have agreed with "evidence" that is blatantly wrong to try and prove a point. Formulate an argument, cut out the swearing and anger and present it in a coherent fashion and I (and maybe even the council) might take you seriously.
If you are happy believing conspiracy theories and 'facts' that are wrong, carry on. I think your time would be more constructively spent thinking positively.

You really are a prize clown aren't you, the rot was set in years ago, with the same Labour council that allowed this place to deteriorate instead of investing and expanding, Newcastle and even Durham have invested and expanded which draws people into the city that's why they are still doing well, the continued neglect by Sunderland's Labour council has resulted in a city where no one want's to shop because there's nothing here, Sunderland had the same kind of shops that Newcastle had and they went out of business in Sunderland because of the lack of shoppers coming into the city, they are preferring to go up the road where there is more choice, internet shopping doesn't have an effect in Newcastle or Durham because there is a lot of shops and a lot of choice for shoppers to use, unlike the pity full City centre our council have made, now, what part of that does a snide clown like you not understand ????
 
Well I'm not going to request a copy of the report but I will doubt the figures are as drastic as they say. It very much is a wet finger in the air estimate. It simplistically relates to 50,000 spending their money in Sunderland and about 220,000 in Newcastle or the Metrocentre.

But yes there probably is more spent in Newcastle and the Metrocentre. But it's a chicken and egg. The shopping experience is better for people there.
 
The report was convincing enough for a major property developer to agree to invest £135 million in a retail project in Sunderland - until they went bankrupt of course. But if you know better - so be it:)



Well I'm not going to request a copy of the report but I will doubt the figures are as drastic as they say. It very much is a wet finger in the air estimate. It simplistically relates to 50,000 spending their money in Sunderland and about 220,000 in Newcastle or the Metrocentre.

But yes there probably is more spent in Newcastle and the Metrocentre. But it's a chicken and egg. The shopping experience is better for people there.
 
Well I'm not going to request a copy of the report but I will doubt the figures are as drastic as they say. It very much is a wet finger in the air estimate. It simplistically relates to 50,000 spending their money in Sunderland and about 220,000 in Newcastle or the Metrocentre.

But yes there probably is more spent in Newcastle and the Metrocentre. But it's a chicken and egg. The shopping experience is better for people there.

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The report was convincing enough for a major property developer to agree to invest £135 million in a retail project in Sunderland - until they went bankrupt of course. But if you know better - so be it:)

As I say I don't doubt more does get spent elsewhere. I just don't believe it's as dramtic as they claim.
 
As I say I don't doubt more does get spent elsewhere. I just don't believe it's as dramtic as they claim.

Bob, not only do some people turn a blind eye to the facts of the demise of the city, but some positively are making excuses for them doing it.
 
I hope you're one of many. I remember this time last year when Labour gained 5 additional seats on the council and their leader said it was great news for the city - within a month just Joplings went :roll:


Me too - we've got a Green standing
 
I hope you're one of many. I remember this time last year when Labour gained 5 additional seats on the council and their leader said it was great news for the city - within a month just Joplings went :roll:

Without a doubt, the people of this city need to wake up to the fact that we NEED a different party to run this council, and take some pride in Sunderland, I'd be inclined to give the Lib Dem's a go, I've never voted for them before but they've done a great job with Durham city and Newcastle city centres.
 
Bob, not only do some people turn a blind eye to the facts of the demise of the city, but some positively are making excuses for them doing it.

Not from me. I've been vocal enough plenty of times on here about it. I've worked for the council in the past and have witnessed the wastefulness of public money (though I believe it to be endemic of public sector not just our city council). I see the poor job they've done. But we're no special case and there are towns like Sunderland up and down the country.
 
Not from me. I've been vocal enough plenty of times on here about it. I've worked for the council in the past and have witnessed the wastefulness of public money (though I believe it to be endemic of public sector not just our city council). I see the poor job they've done. But we're no special case and there are towns like Sunderland up and down the country.

Maybe so Bob but their respective councils are to blame also, and that's why we need a change in Sunderland, I don't care about other towns up and down the country, we have a big catchment area with a big enough population to make Sunderland city as good as Durham or Newcastle and compete with them, what we need is a council run by a party with the pride and ambition of Sunderland at heart because this Labour run council clearly has not.
 
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