Sunderland Council

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Well you can understand their bitterness but after all it was nearly 30 years ago - time to move on. The simple fact is that around 7,000 jobs were lost in the shipbuilding industry and about 12,000 created by Nissan and it's supply industries. The jobs lost in the mining industry on Wearside are dwarfed by the expansion of the University of Sunderland. Then you have the likes of Doxford International, Sunderland Enterprise Park etc.

This makes the current state of Sunderland as a commercial centre even more annoying.

In the big scheme of the economy and social consequences 30 years is a blip. As i said earlier it will take generations more to undo the damage to the social fabric of the north east and then only if there is willingness to do so from Westminister.
Meanwhile the Crack and Smack underculture will carry on.
 
TLR should get his mate Denny on, he's local councillor that's been deselected from the official Labour party because he dared to suggest the council should invest money into the seafront and the city centre to attract more investment and improve the place.
You don't have to take my word for it, hear it from someone right at the centre of it all.
 
20 years later - after Sunderland had spent hundreds of millions on the Tyneside Metro. The Sunderland extension cost Newcastle Council £2m being largely privately funded - we got well and truly shafted on that score.

Either Sunderland has been discriminated against by successive governments for years or there is a reason why no one will invest in Sunderland.


Thus creating the jewel in the crown, all things Tynesnie if you see what I mean, it definitely seem like it's all geared to make that area the bee's knees, while this place rots, that's why I have my conspiracy theory, because they spend it all on Tynesnide and none of it here, we paid for the Metro and didn't even get a station here until 10 years later, and only because we made a stink over it.
 
In the big scheme of the economy and social consequences 30 years is a blip. As i said earlier it will take generations more to undo the damage to the social fabric of the north east and then only if there is willingness to do so from Westminister.
Meanwhile the Crack and Smack underculture will carry on.

Explain the redevelopment of South Shilds,Gateshead, Newcastle,Durham etc, even Hartlepool.
There's only one major place missing from that list, can you guess where?
 
Aye, you're right. I'd be more worried about my kids and grandchildrens futures than the legacy of previous governments. Look at McGuiness and the Rev Ian Paisley in Northern Ireland - if they can put their differences behind them in order to make a brighter future I think we can.



I really don't see where you're coming from on this.

I've posted exactly the same thing you've just commented on many times addressing the same things, but like I said a lot up here would rather cut their nose off to spite their face and stick to voting in a Labour council , and defend the mess they've made of it rather than vote in someone that would actually do something for the city.
 
Explain the redevelopment of South Shilds,Gateshead, Newcastle,Durham etc, even Hartlepool.
There's only one major place missing from that list, can you guess where?

The E from Shields?
 
Explain the redevelopment of South Shilds,Gateshead, Newcastle,Durham etc, even Hartlepool.
There's only one major place missing from that list, can you guess where?

You missed Seaham Harbour as well mate.
 
I was referring to the comments by El Matador


I've posted exactly the same thing you've just commented on many times addressing the same things, but like I said a lot up here would rather cut their nose off to spite their face and stick to voting in a Labour council , and defend the mess they've made of it rather than vote in someone that would actually do something for the city.
 
I really don't see where you're coming from on this.

Simple, they do not have jobs. If they do, they are short term, unsecure, low paid and people are struggling for their daily bread. In those circumstances there is no disposable income and get enough people in that situation then the retail trade will suffer. Sunderland centre is not unique, there are high streets throughout County Durham which are boarded up, full of charity shops, bakers and cafes. It is blatantly obvious they are not prospering as there is no money around. All these town centres could be tarted up and money put into them but i suspect they will soon be the nicest boarded up high streets in the country.
 
Tony Benn, the Labour Party trade minister closed 210 colleries in the 1970's, does this mean Labour are as responsible for the plight of the unfortunates you talk of as Thatcher then?
 
Simple, they do not have jobs. If they do, they are short term, unsecure, low paid and people are struggling for their daily bread. In those circumstances there is no disposable income and get enough people in that situation then the retail trade will suffer. Sunderland centre is not unique, there are high streets throughout County Durham which are boarded up, full of charity shops, bakers and cafes. It is blatantly obvious they are not prospering as there is no money around. All these town centres could be tarted up and money put into them but i suspect they will soon be the nicest boarded up high streets in the country.

If you are referring to the surrounding pit villages that may be true, but we are a city of quite some size and population, and why should the people of this city have to travel to Durham or Newcastle to do their shopping ? Extra expense straight away for the travel, this city has all the qualities to thrive except one, a council that give s fuck.
 
TLR should get his mate Denny on, he's local councillor that's been deselected from the official Labour party because he dared to suggest the council should invest money into the seafront and the city centre to attract more investment and improve the place.
You don't have to take my word for it, hear it from someone right at the centre of it all.

Around County Durham there seems to be a growing number of Independent County Councillors who have become disillusioned with or fucked off by the Labour party. They have stood as independents for their local communities and won.
I said earlier up the thread that labour is in danger of isolating and losing what up until now has been their natural voting base. I was told opinion polls did not support this ! Their complacency and arrogance will be their undoing. I just hope that they don´t lose it to Nationalistic parties.
 
Tony Benn, the Labour Party trade minister closed 210 colleries in the 1970's, does this mean Labour are as responsible for the plight of the unfortunates you talk of as Thatcher then?

When Labour closed unproductive pits in the 1970s the vast majority of miners found work in other pits. When the Tories closed pits in the 1980s there were no other ones to go to, because they closed down the entire industry.

Do you see the difference?
 
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Around County Durham there seems to be a growing number of Independent County Councillors who have become disillusioned with or fucked off by the Labour party. They have stood as independents for their local communities and won.
I said earlier up the thread that labour is in danger of isolating and losing what up until now has been their natural voting base. I was told opinion polls did not support this ! Their complacency and arrogance will be their undoing. I just hope that they don´t lose it to Nationalistic parties.

I hope they do if it means the said parties will get this city sorted.
 
I do, what you're saying is it's acceptable for Labour to close colleries but not for anyone else.


When Labour closed unproductive pits in the 1970s the vast majority of miners found work in other pits. When the Tories closed pits in the 1980s there were no other ones to go to, because they closed down the entire industry.

Do you see the difference?
 
Explain the redevelopment of South Shilds,Gateshead, Newcastle,Durham etc, even Hartlepool.
There's only one major place missing from that list, can you guess where?
Newcastle....has always (like it or not) been way ahead of Sunderland economically.
South Shields.... has utilised its geographical position very well, eg. coast, tourism etc.
Hartlepool.... I do not know so will not guess.
Durham.... has always been a historical centre so attracting tourists. It is a "red brick" university city. Has always been the richest place in County Durham per capita and never relied overly on industry.
Gateshead had billions thrown at it from central government and it´s proximity to Newcastle was a factor.
Sunderland i guess is missing from the list and has never recovered from the economic devastation of the late 20th century. Years of neglect from Central government investment and financing.

Tony Benn, the Labour Party trade minister closed 210 colleries in the 1970's, does this mean Labour are as responsible for the plight of the unfortunates you talk of as Thatcher then?

Colleries were closed but people were given alternative employment. I have a few branches of Matadors in Nottingham.
 
I do, what you're saying is it's acceptable for Labour to close colleries but not for anyone else.

I don't think you do understand the difference, because that's the exact opposite of what I'm saying. So I'll try again:

Labour closed some unproductive pits in the 1970s, but there were plenty of other ones for the miners to work in instead. Therefore relatively few jobs were lost.

On the other hand, the Tories closed ALL the pits, so EVERYONE lost their jobs.
 
I hope they do if it means the said parties will get this city sorted.

Well thankfully they won't be standing as the people of Sunderland have given them the cold shoulder.

You are nothing but a foaming at the mouth moron and your opinion counts for shit thinking that would help.

f***ing incredible.
 
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