summary of what SD said last night


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He alluded to there being cliques (little groups) and urged that everyone must pull in the right direction "from the top to the bottom of the club".
Its quite interesting that. After the check a trade final at wembley I was in Kings Cross Station and went in the first class lounge for a bite to eat ( yes, look at me !! ). Anyway who should be in there but the whole SAFC squad, with Jack Ross and the backroom staff. All of the players were standing together, chatting etc and looking fine ( despite the result the day before ). They all seemed relaxed about chatting with me and other fans. Except 1 person, and that was Grant Leadbitter who was sat alone, face tripping him and not talking to anyone. I actually went over to Grant and said “ haway mate, cheer up a bit man “ to which he grunted and put his head down. This is not a one off as he did exactly the same in the pre match warm up at South Shields in the friendly. I am thinking that its perhaps Mr Leadbitter who needs to give his head a shake a bit - and to be honest I think he is well past his sell by date anyway.
 
Its quite interesting that. After the check a trade final at wembley I was in Kings Cross Station and went in the first class lounge for a bite to eat ( yes, look at me !! ). Anyway who should be in there but the whole SAFC squad, with Jack Ross and the backroom staff. All of the players were standing together, chatting etc and looking fine ( despite the result the day before ). They all seemed relaxed about chatting with me and other fans. Except 1 person, and that was Grant Leadbitter who was sat alone, face tripping him and not talking to anyone. I actually went over to Grant and said “ haway mate, cheer up a bit man “ to which he grunted and put his head down. This is not a one off as he did exactly the same in the pre match warm up at South Shields in the friendly. I am thinking that its perhaps Mr Leadbitter who needs to give his head a shake a bit - and to be honest I think he is well past his sell by date anyway.
Maybe he is having trouble processing what has happened to the club which he is firstly a supporter of, and secondly a player for. Maybe he thinks what happened the day before wasn’t something he could shrug off. Maybe he knows more about what is going on than we do. Maybe he just gives a shit. I’ve no wish to come across as contentious mate, more just thinking out loud. I won’t argue against him being past his prime, I didn’t think signing him was a good idea for us, but primarily for him. In his defence it can’t be easy knowing that physically you just can’t do it anymore when there are those around you that can, but aren’t.
 
this is the bottom line, if we were top two and playing well, people wouldn’t give a shiney

One of the may issues with the "modern" game way to much emphasis and scrutiny on the business side of things.

Put a winning team on the pitch, that will get the crowds back (not doing to badly with attendances) and folk won't give a shit with Charley & Methven are saying or doing.
 
Its quite interesting that. After the check a trade final at wembley I was in Kings Cross Station and went in the first class lounge for a bite to eat ( yes, look at me !! ). Anyway who should be in there but the whole SAFC squad, with Jack Ross and the backroom staff. All of the players were standing together, chatting etc and looking fine ( despite the result the day before ). They all seemed relaxed about chatting with me and other fans. Except 1 person, and that was Grant Leadbitter who was sat alone, face tripping him and not talking to anyone. I actually went over to Grant and said “ haway mate, cheer up a bit man “ to which he grunted and put his head down. This is not a one off as he did exactly the same in the pre match warm up at South Shields in the friendly. I am thinking that its perhaps Mr Leadbitter who needs to give his head a shake a bit - and to be honest I think he is well past his sell by date anyway.
About a week after his mam died, fairly reasonable to not be on top banter form.
But as others have said perhaps he also just gives more of a shit.
 
Its quite interesting that. After the check a trade final at wembley I was in Kings Cross Station and went in the first class lounge for a bite to eat ( yes, look at me !! ). Anyway who should be in there but the whole SAFC squad, with Jack Ross and the backroom staff. All of the players were standing together, chatting etc and looking fine ( despite the result the day before ). They all seemed relaxed about chatting with me and other fans. Except 1 person, and that was Grant Leadbitter who was sat alone, face tripping him and not talking to anyone. I actually went over to Grant and said “ haway mate, cheer up a bit man “ to which he grunted and put his head down. This is not a one off as he did exactly the same in the pre match warm up at South Shields in the friendly. I am thinking that its perhaps Mr Leadbitter who needs to give his head a shake a bit - and to be honest I think he is well past his sell by date anyway.

That was when Ross was still manager. There's nothing like a change of boss to start divisions - those who preferred the way the old one did v those who like the new gaffer etc.
 
Yes he said last night that the business plan was to repay it over 4 years basically, I can’t recall the exact split.
Would be interested to know if that’s happened or not.
It does also raise the question of what we need a loan for if we are getting this years parachute payments and the £5m SD is paying in we should have loads of money.

He also says he's put 20 million in. I took this to be recently as at the last RAWA meeting in the summer Methven said the 10 million that was took out wouldn't be paid back.

No idea why that would be paid in or if it includes what he owes back. The way he was talking was if he'd just invested it all out the goodness of his heart.
He says that after watching Leadbitter's interview the other day he decided to cut short his time away and return. I wonder what part of Leadbitter's interview concerned him the most? I'm hoping its about the dressing room atmosphere, ie cliques forming between certain players.

He said cliques from top to bottom which suggests it isn't just the players. I'd says Donald was top and it's made him rush back so....
 
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He also says he's put 20 million in. I took this to be recently as at the last RAWA meeting in the summer Methven said the 10 million that was took out wouldn't be paid back.

No idea why that would be paid in or if it includes what he owes back. The way he was talking was if he'd just invested it all out the goodness of his heart.


He said cliques from top to bottom which suggests it isn't just the players. I'd says Donald was top and it's made him rush back so....
I think that was what it has cost him so could include purchase price and what he has put in?
I don’t think it’s fair to say he was talking as if he had invested it from the good of his heart he was answering a very direct question from the presenter.
RAWA have another meeting with the club soon hopefully they can get a bit more clarity.
 
he'll be shitting bricks at that declaration.

Not so much a declaration, but an opinion. I know they don't give a fuck about my opinion. I'm my opinion gave you had the opportunity to give an in depth and well thought out response to my post though.
 
Several notes I jotted down.

Madrox owes Donald £20m and FPP £10m?!
Juan offered to pay them the loan money.
Haven’t skimpt on buying players?!
Plan on investing in whole area.
Methven/Donald have contradicted each other over the investment/loan.
Investment for players planned in January.
The insult matter handled well by him, and can be put to bed.
The only questions he needs to answer is why the summer transfer window was so shockingly poor and addressed none of the issues we had and exacerbated others. if he feels Ross was backed, then what does he personally think of our recruitment "strategy"

the second question will you address these failing in January?

the rest is largely irrelevant.
 
I think that was what it has cost him so could include purchase price and what he has put in?
I don’t think it’s fair to say he was talking as if he had invested it from the good of his heart he was answering a very direct question from the presenter.
RAWA have another meeting with the club soon hopefully they can get a bit more clarity.

I've asked Ghandi to question it like. Just sounded like an odd thing to say if it was just purchase price as it sounded like it was extra funding.
 
Agree. I don't know how we have got to this stage where so many people on here and on social media are calling the owners "chancers" and " a cancer". It's probably frustration at events on the pitch, but I don't know how anyone can be in any doubt that SD has the club's best interests at heart

The club owed Ellis Short £100m. He wanted to sell the club to Donald, but have the club then owe Donald £100m
Donald said he didn't want that "debt" to be owed to him, so Ellis wiped it off.

I'm not sure if the debt was actually written off or converted into new shares to be held by Madrox, but it's much the same thing in effect.

I've no issue with what SD has done or is doing on the business of finance side. He is trying to get the club to at least breakeven and we know he doesn't have a huge amount of personal money to put in.

I suspect this £10m of debt is convertible to shares on certain triggers anyway.

He isn't perfect or immune from criticism of course.

I do have issues with two decisions SD has made, both if which I thought were clear mistakes at the time.

First he should have kept Maja until the end of the season. A second half of the season with Maja was worth a lot more than £500k.

Second I would have moved heaven and earth to get Stendel. I think Parkinson was a poor choice, but we have to back him now...
 
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