Strike 1st Feb


So you’ve still not really answered my question, you also never mentioned the affect furlough and Covid had on the whole economy.
Also some wealthy people actually own or run businesses that then employ tens or hundreds of people.
The government are ran like a circus and that doesn’t help matters but this magic money tree people think they have is a crazy notion. Cloth needs to be cut accordingly
You asked how it could be paid for and you were given numerous suggestions -
The billions we are told Brexit has saved, slightly increasing tax on the mega rich which would raise biliions , recouping the billions of pounds of tax large corporations avoid paying. All of these would pay for the justifiable claims of workers many times over with still more money left over to improve other public services.
 
Aye bairns off also, I do get it but we took the bairn out of school for half a day in September and the letter was ridiculous on how it impacts hers and the schools stats. I’ll just ignore anything they send moving forward.

Can’t work both ways for them. Whilst I get why they are doing it, they are 100% responsible for how it impacts the kids.
Take it you’ll be getting annoyed then about the extra bank holiday and hundreds of millions pounds spunked up the wall to put a gold crown on top a rich old man’s head?
 
As someone not involved in the strikes can I ask where is the money supposed to come from to get these higher rises they’re after?
If it’s a government backed place of work won’t that just mean rises and cuts elsewhere to cover it?
The government could raise revenue and/or stop negligent spending.

Public sector pay has decreased by 4% between 2009 and 2021.



Nurses, for example, saw real-terms declines in weekly earnings for every year between 2010 and 2015. This helped contribute to a real-terms drop of 5.3% in their weekly pay since 2009.
 
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You asked how it could be paid for and you were given numerous suggestions -
The billions we are told Brexit has saved, slightly increasing tax on the mega rich which would raise biliions , recouping the billions of pounds of tax large corporations avoid paying. All of these would pay for the justifiable claims of workers many times over with still more money left over to improve other public services.
The Brexit suggestion is just hearsay and you could actually say it was eaten up by the furlough scheme.
Agreed the mega rich tax increase would help but what level of fortune is needed to be classed as mega rich? Totally agree on the huge corporations holding back on paying their fair share and that should be looked in to massively. The PPE farce during the pandemic was just the tip of the iceberg in the way a government fritters money away but that is what happens when we have a government that doesn't have a clue and is badly ran plus changes the top positions so regularly. Fact of the matter is right now all these things have happened and we find ourselves in a hole where people are screaming for more and more money that just isn't there because of mismanagement. I also think we need to look at the benefit system and re-assess that because that surely is running at a deficit with too many scroungers not prepared to work and on the take.

The country is tittering on the brink of really going past the point of no return and dropping from the top rung. Hopefully the powers that be know this and act accordingly
The government could raise revenue and/or stop negligent spending.

Public sector pay has decreased by 4% between 2009 and 2021.



Nurses, for example, saw real-terms declines in weekly earnings for every year between 2010 and 2015. This helped contribute to a real-terms drop of 5.3% in their weekly pay since 2009.
Looking at the charts in the article you've posted it makes the strikes the train drivers union are pushing for even more out of touch and they shouldn't be entertained as much as the other occupations (Health Service, Police etc.)

Like I said above over the whole term of this government it seems like there has only been one trend and that is on a downward trajectory mainly all down to mismanagement and not being in touch with the common man. Look at Brexit that was a farce brought about by a leader who didn't know the feeling of the people at the time. The news were feeding the stories of migrants coming in and the possibility of them being terrorists. This is of course what happens when you have a general population that is kept in a state of fear so when the vote came to choose to stay or leave the EU the vote went the opposite to where he thought it would. Then did he show he was up for the fight hell no he turned and ran, leaving us with another leader who wasn't even backed by her own party. Then we had the mascot given a go of taking over, then COVID then Truss with her madcap economics.


No wonder we are in a mess.
The Brexit suggestion is just hearsay and you could actually say it was eaten up by the furlough scheme.
Agreed the mega rich tax increase would help but what level of fortune is needed to be classed as mega rich? Totally agree on the huge corporations holding back on paying their fair share and that should be looked in to massively. The PPE farce during the pandemic was just the tip of the iceberg in the way a government fritters money away but that is what happens when we have a government that doesn't have a clue and is badly ran plus changes the top positions so regularly. Fact of the matter is right now all these things have happened and we find ourselves in a hole where people are screaming for more and more money that just isn't there because of mismanagement. I also think we need to look at the benefit system and re-assess that because that surely is running at a deficit with too many scroungers not prepared to work and on the take.

The country is tittering on the brink of really going past the point of no return and dropping from the top rung. Hopefully the powers that be know this and act accordingly

Looking at the charts in the article you've posted it makes the strikes the train drivers union are pushing for even more out of touch and they shouldn't be entertained as much as the other occupations (Health Service, Police etc.)

Like I said above over the whole term of this government it seems like there has only been one trend and that is on a downward trajectory mainly all down to mismanagement and not being in touch with the common man. Look at Brexit that was a farce brought about by a leader who didn't know the feeling of the people at the time. The news were feeding the stories of migrants coming in and the possibility of them being terrorists. This is of course what happens when you have a general population that is kept in a state of fear so when the vote came to choose to stay or leave the EU the vote went the opposite to where he thought it would. Then did he show he was up for the fight hell no he turned and ran, leaving us with another leader who wasn't even backed by her own party. Then we had the mascot given a go of taking over, then COVID then Truss with her madcap economics.

No wonder we are in a mess.

It's easy to say all of our pay is down if we haven't been given a pay rise in line with the ever rising inflation figure but unfortunately no one has a magic money tree of a never ending pot of money.

The way I see it is the same way I run my household, I have a budget and once all my bills are paid if there's anything left only then can I see a way of buying things we would like(not need) be that a night out a new sofa etc etc or do we save the excess for a rainy day incase things go wrong. I also try and make sure I have savings that I know will cover me in case I am out of work and that doesn't get touched.
It's not easy and takes a lot of looking in to and sometimes sacrifice to get to the place you want to see yourself.
 
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Simple terms,
Is it when inflation rises, the money in your pocket goes less. (everything goes up)
When inflation drops the money in your pocket goes further (everything goes down)

No?
Yes pretty much
Look at it in a different way, last year if you had #100 and you bought 100 apples with that then you tried to do it this year you'd only get 90 apples for the same #100
 
Simple terms,
Is it when inflation rises, the money in your pocket goes less. (everything goes up)
When inflation drops the money in your pocket goes further (everything goes down)

No?
No!

That's not the case. In simple terms inflation means the money on your pocket goes less - full stop.

When inflation is high your money goes a lot less further. When it is low it only goes a little less further.

Only deflation would allow your money to go further. Which we never really experience in a sustained way.

So if we give a teacher inflation matching pay rises if 10% and they earn £30k they will now get £33k.

If inflation drops to 2% the next year we would pay them £33,660. Their pay would not go down at any point.
 
Yes was on strike yesterday.
In answer to where the money is coming from....MPs got a £2212 pay rise. That's well over a months pay for most of us. There was also money for wasted PPE contracts and there would be more if some the richer did not avoid tax. Someone 20k at 3% would get £600 (if my maths is right). Thus the gap gets bigger....how is that fair
 
Take it you’ll be getting annoyed then about the extra bank holiday and hundreds of millions pounds spunked up the wall to put a gold crown on top a rich old man’s head?
Nah Charlie’s a top bloke . Should be a week
 

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