Strachan rejecting £3m compo from Boro.


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& who bought 13 players of this not good enough squad

David f***ing useless Moyes
I think I addressed that point in my massive rant!
Unfortunately we've needed all but one of those 13 signings. I know it doesn't work like this but it averages out at about 2.5 million per player. What sort of premier league player do you expect to get for that. Risks, expierenced players (has beens), or youth who other clubs have already decided won't reach the very top.
I've argued all season that we needed both quality and to increase the squad. We just didn't have the funds.
Mvila should have bought regardless of the cost or savings, even though I like NDong.
Papy on paper is a good signing. Unfortunately he has too many brain farts in him, but perhaps if he's not next to pva who was the same he might come good but I'm not holding my breath.
Are the signings we made good enough, no I don't think so if I'm brutally honest but for the cost of them and the wages they'll be on then possibly.
The other benefit of bringing in this many known quantities is that Moyes maybe trying to break up dressing room cliques and restore power to the manager. But I'm probably reading far to much into it, and that we signed them as they liked Moyes, no other fecker wanted them and were all we could afford.
As I said next year even if we sell Pickford and kone borini and Khazri we have nearly a decent first 11 for a crack at the championship. We'd realistically need a centre half and 2 strikers.
We've already signed some of the better championship players and realised how poor they are, the bulk of this team is too good for the championship but unfortunately not premier league class when all together.
It's also the massively unbalanced nature of our squad that is a problem. Currently we have about 6 centre midfielders who can't run.
And now I've just ranted again. I need to step away from the computer!
 
I think I addressed that point in my massive rant!
Unfortunately we've needed all but one of those 13 signings. I know it doesn't work like this but it averages out at about 2.5 million per player. What sort of premier league player do you expect to get for that. Risks, expierenced players (has beens), or youth who other clubs have already decided won't reach the very top.
I've argued all season that we needed both quality and to increase the squad. We just didn't have the funds.
Mvila should have bought regardless of the cost or savings, even though I like NDong.
Papy on paper is a good signing. Unfortunately he has too many brain farts in him, but perhaps if he's not next to pva who was the same he might come good but I'm not holding my breath.
Are the signings we made good enough, no I don't think so if I'm brutally honest but for the cost of them and the wages they'll be on then possibly.
The other benefit of bringing in this many known quantities is that Moyes maybe trying to break up dressing room cliques and restore power to the manager. But I'm probably reading far to much into it, and that we signed them as they liked Moyes, no other fecker wanted them and were all we could afford.
As I said next year even if we sell Pickford and kone borini and Khazri we have nearly a decent first 11 for a crack at the championship. We'd realistically need a centre half and 2 strikers.
We've already signed some of the better championship players and realised how poor they are, the bulk of this team is too good for the championship but unfortunately not premier league class when all together.
It's also the massively unbalanced nature of our squad that is a problem. Currently we have about 6 centre midfielders who can't run.
And now I've just ranted again. I need to step away from the computer!
This average cost per player is so spurious an argument it borders on the laughable.
You've included 3 loan players to inflate your argument, for starters.
Of the players that left in the summer only kaboul was a regular. Mvila and Yedlin were loans..so in essence he only needed to spend the 35m on 3 or 4 players and the squad would have been as it were at the end of the season. We didn't need to buy love, bring in manquillo and still have jones.
he didn't need to replace mvila with mcnair, ndong, pienaar,Gibson and denayer. One maybe 2 midfielders, and proper runs at that.
He has brought in 9 permanents at 35m, 2 of those were piennaar and big vic..stocking fillers and in essence crocks despite vic's cameos. He always was and remains a sicknote. He should never have been given a contract.
He massively overpaid for ndong and papy.
Judicious loans ( 2 off ) and 4 players using the 35m and we would have been set despite the injuries to kirchoff and cats.
Our squad is crap due to moyes not short
 
This average cost per player is so spurious an argument it borders on the laughable.
You've included 3 loan players to inflate your argument, for starters.
Of the players that left in the summer only kaboul was a regular. Mvila and Yedlin were loans..so in essence he only needed to spend the 35m on 3 or 4 players and the squad would have been as it were at the end of the season. We didn't need to buy love, bring in manquillo and still have jones.
he didn't need to replace mvila with mcnair, ndong, pienaar,Gibson and denayer. One maybe 2 midfielders, and proper runs at that.
He has brought in 9 permanents at 35m, 2 of those were piennaar and big vic..stocking fillers and in essence crocks despite vic's cameos. He always was and remains a sicknote. He should never have been given a contract.
He massively overpaid for ndong and papy.
Judicious loans ( 2 off ) and 4 players using the 35m and we would have been set despite the injuries to kirchoff and cats.
Our squad is crap due to moyes not short
Mate I even pointed out that it doesn't work like that literally before I made the statement.
If we had only bought 6 players we would have been playing our under 18s this season. We have needed the amount of bodies we signed. But as I said I can't believe that we signed what Moyes would have wanted just what we could get.
 
He took all the interest out of it for me.

Even when we win I just think "what's the point we've still got moyes in charge"
 
Contracts are now heavily in favour of the managers, hence why they never resign.

Why resign and kiss good bye to a big fat pay off.
 
I can see why some would think that but in my opinion they are harsh in there judgment. Considering the factors we haven't done badly under him in my opinion but of course we haven't over performed. There is no one I can think off realistically that suits our plight better than he.

He's never got a team out of the championship.

Has he ever won a trophy?
 
Ive always liked Strachan.
Goes back to reading in our boys Shoot magazine during his Utd days that Hamden and Roker were his favourite grounds. Plus he had a bit ginger hair bantz with the crowd at the Roker/Clock Stand corner flag during the Clive Walker game while waiting to take a corner when someone was being treat for an injury.
He seems witty and spikey sometimes which I think may be the secret of SAFC management success becos Reidy certainly was and he's the only one to do owt here for ower 70 years. Keane anarl. The miserable dour approach of Moyes n Buxton hasn't worked and the self important "do you know who I am?" style of mcmenemy and wilco nivver either.
He can't stand Garth Crookes anarl which has to be a plus.

I always expect him to ba announced as the next SAFC manager for some reason. Well after Ralf Rangnik obviously.
 
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Although we've had our best run in the top flight for a generation, it's about time we gave a manager a good run at building sometime at this club. The club can't afford the way we are going, so someone has to develop a better scouting network and youth team structure. I would be happy to let DM have a good run at it.
 
Im suggesting he fecks off.

Unfortunately he wont till we get to the point where the damage is so bad we have to give him a few million to do so. Hel be over the moon to be away imo.
:lol:and what do you suggest the solution to this happening again is?
 
I Don't see what that's got to do with where he played.


Allardyce only signed a few players for us. To extrapolate them against Moyes signings is nonsense. You'd think that Allardyce had never made a poor signing, by the way you go on about him.

Allardyce made 4 signings, 3 a great sucess, N'doye a poor loan signing.

I couldn't give a fuck about anything other than what the 2 managers did here. SAFC is all I care about.
 
Wish Karanka would fuck off and do the same :lol:

But yeah I've always valued Strachan since that. Did a shite job but at least he had the balls to acknowledge it.
 
Although we've had our best run in the top flight for a generation, it's about time we gave a manager a good run at building sometime at this club. The club can't afford the way we are going, so someone has to develop a better scouting network and youth team structure. I would be happy to let DM have a good run at it.

I agree, give a good manager time.

Why give Moyes time? He's f***ing bollocks.
 
Allardyce made 4 signings, 3 a great sucess, N'doye a poor loan signing.

I couldn't give a fuck about anything other than what the 2 managers did here. SAFC is all I care about.
Kone - Good player
Kerchhoff - Was a gamble. A Good player in the short term, but hasn't been a good signing overall.
Khazri - Was mediocre, now Poor.
N'Doye - Poor

Using Allardyce's January transfer record, to evaluate his overall transfer skills is utter nonsense. How do you think he would have spent with Moyes limitations, had he still been our manager?
 
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Ive always liked Strachan.
Goes back to reading in our boys Shoot magazine during his Utd days that Hamden and Roker were his favourite grounds. Plus he had a bit ginger hair bantz with the crowd at the Roker/Clock Stand corner flag during the Clive Walker game while waiting to take a corner when someone was being treat for an injury.
He seems witty and spikey sometimes which I think may be the secret of SAFC management success becos Reidy certainly was and he's the only one to do owt here for ower 70 years. Keane anarl. The miserable dour approach of Moyes n Buxton hasn't worked and the self important "do you know who I am?" style of mcmenemy and wilco nivver either.
He can't stand Garth Crookes anarl which has to be a plus.

I always expect him to ba announced as the next SAFC manager for some reason. Well after Ralf Rangnik obviously.
The irony is, Ive met Strachan and he is a cheeky twat. On the other hand Moyes is a nice polite guy who, even when under massive pressure at Man Utd, always made time for young fans.

Strachan is also a far worse manager than Moyes - just compare their records.

Sacking Moyes would decimate next seasons stranger kitty, and he would just end up getting a job somewhere else. The alternatives are hardly of a superior caliber either...
 
Kone - Good player
Kerchhoff - Was a gamble. A Good player in the short term, but hasn't been a good signing overall.
Khazri - Was mediocre, now Poor.
N'Doye - Poor

Using Allardyce's January transfer record, to evaluate his overall transfer skills is utter nonsense. How do you think he would have spent with Moyes limitations, had he still been our manager?

I think Sam would have done OK because he has done well at half a dozen top flight clubs unlike Moyes who has done well at one.

Sam did have limatations placed on him. He had to ship out Pants, Fletcher and Graham in order to free up wages for his signings. He only spent £13M net, £15M less the couple of million he got for Pants.

Kirchoff £9M
Kone £5M
Kirchhoff £750K

Moyes had £25M plus the Kaboul money, circa £27M.

Ndong £13M
Papy £8M
McNair £5M
Mika £1M

4 crap signings, his whole budget spunked on players not ready for the premier league.

Obviously you'll try to defend the indefensible...
 
I think Sam would have done OK because he has done well at half a dozen top flight clubs unlike Moyes who has done well at one.

Sam did have limatations placed on him. He had to ship out Pants, Fletcher and Graham in order to free up wages for his signings. He only spent £13M net, £15M less the couple of million he got for Pants.

Kirchoff £9M
Kone £5M
Kirchhoff £750K

Moyes had £25M plus the Kaboul money, circa £27M.

Ndong £13M
Papy £8M
McNair £5M
Mika £1M

4 crap signings, his whole budget spunked on players not ready for the premier league.

Obviously you'll try to defend the indefensible...
He had mixed fortunes at those clubs.

I don't think N'dong is poor. Probably would have done a lot better along side some half decent midfielders. I'd agree overall the transfer dealings have been poor. But also shit signings from previous seasons have also caught up with us.

I'm not defending Moyes. I just think you are overrating Allardyce, from the short amount of time he spent here.
 
He had mixed fortunes at those clubs.

I don't think N'dong is poor. Probably would have done a lot better along side some half decent midfielders. I'd agree overall the transfer dealings have been poor. But also shit signings from previous seasons have also caught up with us.

I'm not defending Moyes. I just think you are overrating Allardyce, from the short amount of time he spent here.
Sam Allardyce has never been relegated at Bolton, Blackburn, Newcastle, West Ham and Sunderland.

He won't get relegated this season either.

If Moyes had one remit it was to keep us up and he's failing miserably.
 
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