Strachan rejecting £3m compo from Boro.


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He's a kid, very average at best at this level at this stage of his career.

Kaboul was an experienced leader who'd built a partnership with Kone. He was left sided centre half so he was important in covering for and talking to PVA.

We needed to make Kaboul stay until at least January or bring in a Michael Dawson or someone of that ilk. As I said very poor management.
Without knowing why he left, I can't see why you'd say that. I don't particularly rate Dawson either.
 
To be fair, if Short had any sense (I know) he would have agreed a termination figure in the contract. It would still be a shit load of money (especially since it would probably also count as the compensation we'd be entitled to if he left having done well) but it isn't necessarily the case that you need to completely pay up a contract if such a clause exists
We have no sense when it comes to contracts, unfortunately.
 
Without knowing why he left, I can't see why you'd say that. I don't particularly rate Dawson either.

The whys and where fors are irrelevant. We needed an experienced player to play alongside Kone.

In the summer the world of football has many 30 year old players with no clubs. Instead of using his contacts and experience as say Sam would have, Moyes brought in 2 inexperienced players.

Awful management, no excuses.
 
The whys and where fors are irrelevant. We needed an experienced player to play alongside Kone.

In the summer the world of football has many 30 year old players with no clubs. Instead of using his contacts and experience as say Sam would have, Moyes brought in 2 inexperienced players.

Awful management, no excuses.


He knows all about great defenders, doesn't he? :lol:
 
Nope, played in both midfield and defence. Leaning more towards central midfield as his career has gone on.

He barely played in the 2 years before he arrived. 1 game for Bayern in the first half of last season. About a dozen games on loan the previous season.

Anyway it's academic, he hit the ground running and helped keep us up. Unlike the vast majority of Moyes signings. Only Anichebe and Oviedo are decent signings IMO. The other 10 or 11 weren't fit for purpose when they signed.
 
At what cost though? Every time you have changed manager he has had a different philosophy which has rendered key players brought in by the manager that has just left not effective under the new manager's philosophy. Five years of staying in the league at any cost has ironically possibly cost you more financially than ducking out after the second year and rebuilding has.

The manager with seeming the most ability available that is interested mightn't always be the best replacement.
I've been saying for at least 3 seasons Sunderland need relegation to rebuild as it's not possible to do it in the Premier League but I've been hammered for it. An amalgamation of managers squads later and the situation is even worse. Sacking another manager now is just futile as far as I'm concerned.
 
Don't get this that footballers and managers should be altruistic and the rest of society keep as is???
If we had a player or manager that was doing really well then by your rationale we should let them go and ply their trade elsewhere and we remain uncompensated.
You cant have it one way and not the other.
Of course many of us are pissed off at the job moyes is doing, but we gave him a bumper contract and both parties have to abide to it despite the jumpers for goalposts brigade and their misplaced righteous indignation.
20=20 hindsight is all well and good but bruce, o'neill and now moyes had contracts and we were at the outset happy they were offered the job. That they all turned out shite is how the cookie crumbled
Christ you're back. Can't you just get a lifer and never return?
 
I've been saying for at least 3 seasons Sunderland need relegation to rebuild as it's not possible to do it in the Premier League but I've been hammered for it. An amalgamation of managers squads later and the situation is even worse. Sacking another manager now is just futile as far as I'm concerned.
Utter nonsense how long did it take the Smoggys to rebuild
7 seasons
What about Charlton Leeds Norwich etc
 
He barely played in the 2 years before he arrived. 1 game for Bayern in the first half of last season. About a dozen games on loan the previous sesson.

Anyway it's academic, he hit the ground running and helped keep us up. Unlike the vast majority of Moyes signings. Only Anichebe and Oviedo are decent signings IMO. The other 10 or 11 weren't fit for purpose when they signed.
I Don't see what that's got to do with where he played.


Allardyce only signed a few players for us. To extrapolate them against Moyes signings is nonsense. You'd think that Allardyce had never made a poor signing, by the way you go on about him.
 
If all of the decisions that have been made this season with regards to transfers were down to Moyes and he has got first choice targets (even 3rd choice targets) then he is mental.
But if anybody on this board seriously thinks that Moyes decided it was better to sign NDong over MVila needs their head examined. I'm sure he decided to build his team around pienaar and trusted him so much he gave him a 1 year contract. We haven't even been searching in the bargain bin this season for most of our squad players, we've been picking up the ones that have fallen out and been kicked under the shelves!
We have never had our best first 11 out this season.
The people who are saying cats and kichhoff have played, they must have played about 5 games between them.
Kone wanted away all of august, but people think he was a solid foundation to build upon.
We kept Mannone, Kone, PVA, Khazri, Defoe from the starting 11s of last season. He's only dropped Khazri everyone else who hasn't played either wasn't our player or has been injured. The major problem is the entire midfield 3 have had to change this season. No team in the world can expect that to be an easy transition.
The only games which I think weve underperformed in are the Swansea and Burnley games. Every other defeat I can see a valid reason for, even if it has been a big defeat.
I've never bought into the theory that a manager can just lose his ability. He might lose his hunger to manage but I don't see that in Moyes. I don't see why him being a miserable git is a problem. He was able to motivate port vale and Everton.
We aren't down at the bottom due to lack of effort we are down there because we don't have a good enough squad to be able to play the way we need to play which is a slow passing game to get Defoe on the end of something.
Could we have done better with our loan signings probably, but on paper both were what we needed and should have been very good signings.
It's no surprise our best run came when we had an out ball in anichebe and then the pace of watmore to get up to support.
I still think we have a chance of surviving and that we have a decent enough team even if we get rid of half the squad to have a good go at the championship.
 
If all of the decisions that have been made this season with regards to transfers were down to Moyes and he has got first choice targets (even 3rd choice targets) then he is mental.
But if anybody on this board seriously thinks that Moyes decided it was better to sign NDong over MVila needs their head examined. I'm sure he decided to build his team around pienaar and trusted him so much he gave him a 1 year contract. We haven't even been searching in the bargain bin this season for most of our squad players, we've been picking up the ones that have fallen out and been kicked under the shelves!
We have never had our best first 11 out this season.
The people who are saying cats and kichhoff have played, they must have played about 5 games between them.
Kone wanted away all of august, but people think he was a solid foundation to build upon.
We kept Mannone, Kone, PVA, Khazri, Defoe from the starting 11s of last season. He's only dropped Khazri everyone else who hasn't played either wasn't our player or has been injured. The major problem is the entire midfield 3 have had to change this season. No team in the world can expect that to be an easy transition.
The only games which I think weve underperformed in are the Swansea and Burnley games. Every other defeat I can see a valid reason for, even if it has been a big defeat.
I've never bought into the theory that a manager can just lose his ability. He might lose his hunger to manage but I don't see that in Moyes. I don't see why him being a miserable git is a problem. He was able to motivate port vale and Everton.
We aren't down at the bottom due to lack of effort we are down there because we don't have a good enough squad to be able to play the way we need to play which is a slow passing game to get Defoe on the end of something.
Could we have done better with our loan signings probably, but on paper both were what we needed and should have been very good signings.
It's no surprise our best run came when we had an out ball in anichebe and then the pace of watmore to get up to support.
I still think we have a chance of surviving and that we have a decent enough team even if we get rid of half the squad to have a good go at the championship.
& who bought 13 players of this not good enough squad

David f***ing useless Moyes
 
How much money do you think Moyes is on? Conservatively, I'd say £50k.

There's no way Short is paying £7.5m+ to bin him and I'd keep him even if you are relegated. Give him a chance to reshape the squad.


I wouldn't keep him if we go down like.
 
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