Strachan rejecting £3m compo from Boro.


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How much money do you think Moyes is on? Conservatively, I'd say £50k.

There's no way Short is paying £7.5m+ to bin him and I'd keep him even if you are relegated. Give him a chance to reshape the squad.
Hmm, I'm sure you're totally sincere as well.
 
Respect is earned, not given.

yea,in most cases it is,but,can you really put a time scale to it,i.e. six months in and he's shite nowt;s happening,three months later all's rosy and he's the greatest thing since sliced bread,like i said in another post i don't want him sacked,but even i can see it's getting to that point of no return
 
I know a lot of our fans don't have big expectations, but that just takes the biscuit. We've done absolutely shite under him. He's on course to be our worst premier league manager since Mccarthy, and that's saying something considering the other knackers we've had since him.

Just what would he have to do for you to think we had done badly under him? Lose every game so far, and not just 18?

Considering the disruption at the club, the money he had (actually spent as opposed to what the papers said), the injuries and so on that not being cast away is pretty much where we should be expected. Granted the fans probably didn't take these factors not recognize the seriousness of them, that's not really there job.
 
I get the point that Coeus is making, and whilst I'm not as fully behind Moyes as he is, I dont think it's a simple case of him being garbage.

My feelings on Moyes are very conflicted. I think he's made mistakes and I'm concerned that he's not the manager he was and his time has gone, and I can see that his signings have been very poor. On that basis, I should want him out.

Yet our situation, outside of him, is appalling. He's had a huge number of injuries to deal with, to an already rancid squad, and his transfers for all they've been poor have been hamstrung by our finances (even the cash signings seem to be determined by how long we can spread the payments). Our squad is dreadful at full strength, so with all the missing players it's beyond bad. Yet I can't help shake the feeling that, without the injuries, we'd be at least 7 or 8 points better off, which would probably where you'd expect us to be.

I can't quite get my head around whether I think he's any good or not. I don't see any point sacking him now anyway; I'd be astonished if anyone can keep us up from here, and I'd rather we wait till the end of the season and assess then (garner the opinion of the players and coaching staff of Moyes, do a review of how the club is operating and how it wants to go forward etc......). If we decide we want rid, then at least a new man can come on and strategic afresh on a new season, rather than coming in now and overseeing a relegation which would kill him before he starts.
 
Considering the disruption at the club, the money he had (actually spent as opposed to what the papers said), the injuries and so on that not being cast away is pretty much where we should be expected. Granted the fans probably didn't take these factors not recognize the seriousness of them, that's not really there job.
Disruption? What disruption?

Money? He spent more than 5 other clubs in the summer. Not a massive amount but those five clubs are above us.

And injuries - we're not the only club to suffer them, you know.
 
I get the point that Coeus is making, and whilst I'm not as fully behind Moyes as he is, I dont think it's a simple case of him being garbage.

My feelings on Moyes are very conflicted. I think he's made mistakes and I'm concerned that he's not the manager he was and his time has gone, and I can see that his signings have been very poor. On that basis, I should want him out.

Yet our situation, outside of him, is appalling. He's had a huge number of injuries to deal with, to an already rancid squad, and his transfers for all they've been poor have been hamstrung by our finances (even the cash signings seem to be determined by how long we can spread the payments). Our squad is dreadful at full strength, so with all the missing players it's beyond bad. Yet I can't help shake the feeling that, without the injuries, we'd be at least 7 or 8 points better off, which would probably where you'd expect us to be.

I can't quite get my head around whether I think he's any good or not. I don't see any point sacking him now anyway; I'd be astonished if anyone can keep us up from here, and I'd rather we wait till the end of the season and assess then (garner the opinion of the players and coaching staff of Moyes, do a review of how the club is operating and how it wants to go forward etc......). If we decide we want rid, then at least a new man can come on and strategic afresh on a new season, rather than coming in now and overseeing a relegation which would kill him before he starts.
He's flopped in his last 3 jobs he's not good any more. He inherited a team with top half form from January to May and destroyed it. His signings have been absolutely appalling. His body language and negativity stinks. He had since July to sign a second striker and didn't only bringing in a well known crock. Any game against the Top 7 he doesn't even try and win. He's a bleak shadow of his former self.
 
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Disruption? What disruption?

Money? He spent more than 5 other clubs in the summer. Not a massive amount but those five clubs are above us.

And injuries - we're not the only club to suffer them, you know.

The disruption in that the owner wants to sell the club and the lengthy change in manager.

The money he spent is minimal, it wasn't 13m-19m on N'dong as many papers would have you believe, nor was it 8m on Papy. The wages also minimal.

Our club has been gathering pace towards the championship where as the clubs you have mentioned probably haven't, more likely they have been built up over a matter of years rather than costly fire fighting.

Im aware other clubs suffer injuries, do you happen to know how many injuries other clubs have had in the same time period as us?
 
The disruption in that the owner wants to sell the club and the lengthy change in manager.

The money he spent is minimal, it wasn't 13m-19m on N'dong as many papers would have you believe, nor was it 8m on Papy. The wages also minimal.

Our club has been gathering pace towards the championship where as the clubs you have mentioned probably haven't, more likely they have been built up over a matter of years rather than costly fire fighting.

Im aware other clubs suffer injuries, do you happen to know how many injuries other clubs have had in the same time period as us?

http://www.physioroom.com/news/engl...CdAA.0&utm_referrer=https://www.google.co.uk/
 
The disruption in that the owner wants to sell the club and the lengthy change in manager.

The money he spent is minimal, it wasn't 13m-19m on N'dong as many papers would have you believe, nor was it 8m on Papy. The wages also minimal.

Our club has been gathering pace towards the championship where as the clubs you have mentioned probably haven't, more likely they have been built up over a matter of years rather than costly fire fighting.

Im aware other clubs suffer injuries, do you happen to know how many injuries other clubs have had in the same time period as us?
Who said we paid 19 million on Ndong? No need for the apostrophe either!
 
I get the point that Coeus is making, and whilst I'm not as fully behind Moyes as he is, I dont think it's a simple case of him being garbage.

My feelings on Moyes are very conflicted. I think he's made mistakes and I'm concerned that he's not the manager he was and his time has gone, and I can see that his signings have been very poor. On that basis, I should want him out.

Yet our situation, outside of him, is appalling. He's had a huge number of injuries to deal with, to an already rancid squad, and his transfers for all they've been poor have been hamstrung by our finances (even the cash signings seem to be determined by how long we can spread the payments). Our squad is dreadful at full strength, so with all the missing players it's beyond bad. Yet I can't help shake the feeling that, without the injuries, we'd be at least 7 or 8 points better off, which would probably where you'd expect us to be.

I can't quite get my head around whether I think he's any good or not. I don't see any point sacking him now anyway; I'd be astonished if anyone can keep us up from here, and I'd rather we wait till the end of the season and assess then (garner the opinion of the players and coaching staff of Moyes, do a review of how the club is operating and how it wants to go forward etc......). If we decide we want rid, then at least a new man can come on and strategic afresh on a new season, rather than coming in now and overseeing a relegation which would kill him before he starts.

A rancid squad, 9 of whom who picked up 27 points from 19 starts and only lost 3 games.

Moyes sold Kaboul (8 players left from last season) didn't replace him like for like. He bought dross, only had 2 or 3 players out injured at the start of the season (6 players left from last season). The problem was he had to play his dross instead of the players off last season.

Go with your gut feeling, the bloke is shit.
 
Who said we paid 19 million on Ndong? No need for the apostrophe either!

Some papers from the selling club rumored this at the time.

No need to correct my grammar, thank you. I'm aware its poor but struggle on if you will.
 
He's flopped in his last 3 jobs he's not good any more. He inherited a team with top half form from January to May and destroyed it. His signings have been absolutely appalling. His body language and negativity stinks. He had since July to sign a second striker and didn't only bringing in a well known crock. Any game against the Top 7 he doesn't even try and win. He's a bleak shadow of his former self.

Well there's some dollops of spin there.

The "top half form" of last season translated to 4 wins from February onwards. We looked solid but until that second half against Chelsea we didn't look anything special. We also had Mvila, Yedlin, Cattermole, Kirchoff and Kaboul, none of whom have been available to Moyes.

Also, the "brilliant" end to the previous season was no different to brilliant finishes under Poyet, Advocaat and O'Neill, which disintegrated the next season.

The negativity thing about his comments is just silly, Saint Sam was just as negative in the press.

The lack of a second striker is a problem, but we did try and again, we were fucked by our lack of funds.

Look, I'm not saying Moyes is brilliant or that I'm even convinced he's worth keeping; I'm genuinely not sure about him. I just think there's more to it than just simply saying he's dreadful. He's been dealt a shockingly bad hand, but he hasn't played it well I agree.
 
In relative terms, it's not that much.

Nonesensical statement. If it is relative then it is both not that much but also a hell of a lot.

In this case it is not that much when compared to what teams in the Prem earn but a hell of a lot compared to what our rivals in the Championship will.
 
Well there's some dollops of spin there.

The "top half form" of last season translated to 4 wins from February onwards. We looked solid but until that second half against Chelsea we didn't look anything special. We also had Mvila, Yedlin, Cattermole, Kirchoff and Kaboul, none of whom have been available to Moyes.

Also, the "brilliant" end to the previous season was no different to brilliant finishes under Poyet, Advocaat and O'Neill, which disintegrated the next season.

The negativity thing about his comments is just silly, Saint Sam was just as negative in the press.

The lack of a second striker is a problem, but we did try and again, we were fucked by our lack of funds.

Look, I'm not saying Moyes is brilliant or that I'm even convinced he's worth keeping; I'm genuinely not sure about him. I just think there's more to it than just simply saying he's dreadful. He's been dealt a shockingly bad hand, but he hasn't played it well I agree.
Catts & kirchoff have played under Moyes :eek:
 
I get the point that Coeus is making, and whilst I'm not as fully behind Moyes as he is, I dont think it's a simple case of him being garbage.

My feelings on Moyes are very conflicted. I think he's made mistakes and I'm concerned that he's not the manager he was and his time has gone, and I can see that his signings have been very poor. On that basis, I should want him out.

Yet our situation, outside of him, is appalling. He's had a huge number of injuries to deal with, to an already rancid squad, and his transfers for all they've been poor have been hamstrung by our finances (even the cash signings seem to be determined by how long we can spread the payments). Our squad is dreadful at full strength, so with all the missing players it's beyond bad. Yet I can't help shake the feeling that, without the injuries, we'd be at least 7 or 8 points better off, which would probably where you'd expect us to be.

I can't quite get my head around whether I think he's any good or not. I don't see any point sacking him now anyway; I'd be astonished if anyone can keep us up from here, and I'd rather we wait till the end of the season and assess then (garner the opinion of the players and coaching staff of Moyes, do a review of how the club is operating and how it wants to go forward etc......). If we decide we want rid, then at least a new man can come on and strategic afresh on a new season, rather than coming in now and overseeing a relegation which would kill him before he starts.

Some good points Morny.

Many seem to think those of us wanting shot are not level headed and wont accept the injury situation.

The truth is we feel he should still be above a side or two and didnt respond to said injuries as he could have.

Difficult circumstances yes but hes shown feck all to prove he can manage his way through them which hes paid highly to do.
 
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