Still taking no responsibility


Status
Not open for further replies.
Surely though given what's available in the transcript seems to suggest he was telling the FA he was doing a couple of conferences in the far east as an advisor. However at least one of the things what he was actually doing was advising on loop holes and ways around rules set out by his employer and as such looking likely he'd have been in part deceiving the FA or at least advising on how to flaunter their rules means in fact it was potentially very shady?
He's doing conferences as an England manager, regardless of where in world it is if he's doing anything shady or underhand it would be pounced on straight away so I don't imagine he could've been too vague with what he told his bosses.
There's also a big difference between sitting chewing the cud and musing over the possibilities of doing what was suggested to actually doing it as well.
 
My be I am reading too much in his body language and the general way he which he looks,but have never took to Sam.

First of all he has always come across as someone who thinks he actually better than he his, the way he was talking on the tape,he just come across as someone thinking he is billy big bollocks,his comments about Roy and Neville I find cringeworthy and tbh childish.

For all his years in the game he has not achieved that much and IMO was only considered for the job,because the better managers in the game do not consider the England job a top job no more.

He had the job he had always wanted,yet still could not keep his nose clean, I for one could not see the England team going forward under him and am glad he is no longer there.

The FA had no choice,they can't preach the right and wrongs of the game in this country yet have someone as shady as Sam as a figure head.
 
on Ssn at the minute and still blaming entrapment and others, no responsibility for his own actions

Couldn't agree more, Janie.

But then to get himself in that position in the first place he clearly is an arsehole and so his defence will be that of an arsehole.

What I haven't heard said is that football really should be a community sport, that was it's whole purpose. Fine, it's not 1890 anymore, but that's a result of greed rather than what football should be. When you consider that the money floating around in the game comes from various sources, including the fans, then a portion of his bung has been paid for by the fans; the very people the game should be about.

So, he has royally taken the piss out of the average fan. Absolute wanker.

Can't believe he isn't just saying nowt and keeping a low profile after the shame.

That's what I thought.

Surely in a position like that you wouldn't bother offering a defence because there isn't one.

Outside of that, you'd be honest and just hold your hands up in front of the cameras instead of looking for a way out.

A very good manager in certain situations but absolute arsehole of a man.
 
Last edited:
Greedy twat and a big head. Blew his England career which he has wanted all this time trying to be Billy big bollocks infront of people and bragging about how he shafts clubs for money.

Fuck him. He didn't give 2 fucks about us when the England job was dangled infront of him and it's looking like f***ing up our whole season before it even started.

Shame, as he was a nice fit for this club and could have built something here.
Exactly this
 
He's doing conferences as an England manager, regardless of where in world it is if he's doing anything shady or underhand it would be pounced on straight away so I don't imagine he could've been too vague with what he told his bosses.
There's also a big difference between sitting chewing the cud and musing over the possibilities of doing what was suggested to actually doing it as well.

I realise that your adopted role on here is as a professional contrarian but your protracted defence of both BSA's character and his conduct is stretching your credibility to breaking point.
 
I realise that your adopted role on here is as a professional contrarian but your protracted defence of both BSA's character and his conduct is stretching your credibility to breaking point.
Give over man. I've conceded that he was both naive and greedy and that he's also no angel but the moral crusaders on here are a little bit stomach churning at times. In this particular instance I think the reaction and consequences are way OTT for what was essentially a discussion in which nothing untoward was said.
He'll walk into another job and no doubt do what he's done everywhere else and that's leave a club in better shape than when he arrived.
 
He's doing conferences as an England manager, regardless of where in world it is if he's doing anything shady or underhand it would be pounced on straight away so I don't imagine he could've been too vague with what he told his bosses.
There's also a big difference between sitting chewing the cud and musing over the possibilities of doing what was suggested to actually doing it as well.

He's hardly going to go to a full on conference and do what was being asked of him in the video is he? That's just part of it. Seriously - he's banged to rights, he was caught spewing allsorts of stuff out for a free lunch, of course he's going to go and do it for some real money.

Give over man. I've conceded that he was both naive and greedy and that he's also no angel but the moral crusaders on here are a little bit stomach churning at times. In this particular instance I think the reaction and consequences are way OTT for what was essentially a discussion in which nothing untoward was said.
He'll walk into another job and no doubt do what he's done everywhere else and that's leave a club in better shape than when he arrived.

Jesus, it's whats said, implied and offered and the seediness of the meetings that took place, it's absolutely horrendous, it's cringeworthy stuff undermining his employers. There's absolutely no way he could possibly continue his role as England manager after that. He got his just deserts.
 
Last edited:
I'm firmly in the telegraph's camp on this issue like. It's not entrapment if they are doing a wide spread investigation of a whole industry over many months, and happen to find that they are able to arrange a meeting with the England manager.

That's not entrapment, that's being caught in the act IMO.

Now if they had specifically targeted him over an extended period of time, then it would be a problem, but TBH I'm glad they are doing what they are doing.
 
Problem with this is that's all about an agenda with some and they aren't even very subtle in trying to disguise it. Sam left us for England and that's left a few people very bitter so something like this is manner from heaven for them.
We've had a few threads now which apparently are 'just to start a discussion' yet by the end of the OP it's crystal clear what it's all about.

Totally agree.

I don't get this problem of people leaving us for better jobs, if we had more players and more managers getting offers, it would mean we were doing better.

Imagine if this was Moyes @johnson would be putting the boot in left , right and centre

It's ok though because it's his beloved Fat Sam

I 100% wouldn't.

This has fuck all to do with Sam, I would defend if it was Shearer

Just don't like peopel sayign he is corrupt etc, he might well be, but not based on that sting operation, said fuck all.

I realise that your adopted role on here is as a professional contrarian but your protracted defence of both BSA's character and his conduct is stretching your credibility to breaking point.

Complete nonsense. Again another poster who seemingly hasn't read the transcript.

Several of the top sports writers have summed it up better than we have, but you probably made your mind up after reading a headline.

It's all semantics man he was talking to business men about ways and means to avoid rules, his employers rules, when he's manager of England.
Most of us would have been sacked for doing the same, it beggars belief that people thinks Allardyce was above that.
People whinge all of the time because people in football get away with things people in ordinary jobs get away with, then there is the trotted out line about it can't be compared.
Well why can't it be compared and wh

Loving it, I just gave an opinion the same as many are, I couldn't care one way or the other tbh. But I would have had a lot more respect for him if he'd apologised gracefully, instead of still blaming others, because entrapment or not if he hadn't gone he couldn't have been trapped. My opinion that's all

And lets be honest you'd defend him if you pinched your last rolo.

No I wouldn't

You haven't even read the story, clearly. He did fuck all corrupt

I'd say that if was the exile

stop putting words in my mouth love.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
"Unfortunately it was an error of judgment on my behalf and I have paid the price"

That sounds like someone taken responsibility. Some of our fans are unbelievable. Without Allardyce we'd be in The Championship. But the SMB sticks the boot in. It's not just Allardyce. SKP, Sess, Quinny and Marco all get the same treatment!
I shudder to think what he got up to regarding our comings and goings but, as they say, that horse has already bolted.
 
Totally agree.

I don't get this problem of people leaving us for better jobs, if we had more players and more managers getting offers, it would mean we were doing better.



I 100% wouldn't.

This has fuck all to do with Sam, I would defend if it was Shearer

Just don't like peopel sayign he is corrupt etc, he might well be, but not based on that sting operation, said fuck all.



Complete nonsense. Again another poster who seemingly hasn't read the transcript.

Several of the top sports writers have summed it up better than we have, but you probably made your mind up after reading a headline.



No I wouldn't

You haven't even read the story, clearly. He did fuck all corrupt

I'd say that if was the exile

stop putting words in my mouth love.

Don't call me love, thank you

Oh and I won't put words into your mouth if you don't tell me what I have and haven't read.
If you could point out where I've said he's corrupt I'd be grateful
Cheers
 
Complete nonsense. Again another poster who seemingly hasn't read the transcript.

Several of the top sports writers have summed it up better than we have, but you probably made your mind up after reading a headline.

The only time you've previously come to my attention has been when other members have complained about your irritating, presumptuous hyperbole.

I thought that they were over reacting but it seems I was wrong.
 
on Ssn at the minute and still blaming entrapment and others, no responsibility for his own actions

He's not the first and won't be the last to have been caught out doing something wrong enough to (essentially) get the bullet then attempt to rid themselves of enough of the blame so that they can again become employable.

In this case, though, I think that the story still has some way to run, given Bernstein's comments that (in his opinion) Allardyce should not receive even a 1p payoff, much less the reported figure of £1m, plus the investigation that will, supposedly, be conducted by the LMA into his conduct.
 
Given that all parties have signed confidentiality agreements it's hard to truly ascertain the extent of what has gone on.

Apart from the press that is, who always tell the truth.

I think it's safe to assume there's no smoke without fire though. In a £billion industry like football, where it's all basically built on greed, it's fairly obvious that crooks will be drawn in like flies to shit.

I think most people at the top of the game, players, coaches, chairmen live in a bubble of unreality where 9 times out of 10 their actions are shielded, hidden or covered-up as a matter of course. That's why its such a big shock when something slips through the net (no pun intended), they're just flabbergasted when the real world comes crashing through the door.

Hence Sam's inability to grasp that it's all his own fault and not taking full responsibility. It's not just the one instance he's been caught, it's the unknown number where it's gone much further than drinks in a bar...
 
Says who? / source? - isn't it more a case that they have no cast-iron irrefutable proof (as yet)!in order to name and shame?
We won't know if there are injunctions, that's the point of them. I'd assume The Telegraph would hand over whatever evidence they have to the FA, and if appropriate the police, rather than print it all. Both FA and/or police may have to do more investigations, but they both have powers of investigation the Telegraph clearly doesn't possess.
 
Gross misconduct isn't a sackable offence ?

FA took the easy "mutual consent" way out when they should have sacked him
of course gross misconduct is a sackable offence, but I still cannot see any gross misconduct in what has been reported. Obviously he had a contract and we don't know the small print in it, but howay man he was sat in a bar having a few bevies and what he thought was a private conversation. No money changed hands, there was no talk of underhand payments.

If gross misconduct has occurred I would expect an organisation such as the FA who are massively in debt, and posted q £16 million loss last year to sack him. Surely by this mutual consent, mega bucks payoff and confidentiality clause, the FA themselves are playing fast and loose with football supporters money and are therefore no better than the man they have rid themselves of.
 
the whole premise of it was about advising them on their potential investments, which would center around flaunting FA rules.
Where's your source for this? You're making assumptions and conflating two separate events.

However at least one of the things what he was actually doing was advising on loop holes and ways around rules set out by his employer
I don't think so. He commented on 3rd party ownership but that was in a very different context from the offer of a lecture tour.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top