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Just read his agent advised against a second meeting, but he went anyway. If that's the case it means another meeting took place and the details havn't been made public.
 
Semantics though really, in his position he shouldn't have even been having that conversation with a bunch of strangers over a pint of wine.


The thing for me is that he shouldn't have put himself in that position.
I and many other people would have been in bother if we'd been caught telling people how to break our employers laws or even suggested it was possible. If he'd not been where he was he wouldn't have been caught.
It's just my opinion but he was a sitting duck waiting to be shot and his arrogance and greed allowed the bullets to be fired. And while saying he regrets it he's still trying to deflect responsibility for his actions on to others.
Hark at Mother Theresa here.

Who are you exactly to be sitting in judgement about what someone should and shouldn't do?

He's said some ill advised things which he has apologised for and paid a heavy price by losing his job.

Boils my piss people on here coming over superior and falling over themselves to sick the boot in without being in full possession of facts/context.

People have got short memories.
 
Hark at Mother Theresa here.

Who are you exactly to be sitting in judgement about what someone should and shouldn't do?

He's said some ill advised things which he has apologised for and paid a heavy price by losing his job.

Boils my piss people on here coming over superior and falling over themselves to sick the boot in without being in full possession of facts/context.

People have got short memories.

Why even put yourself in that position though? It makes no sense whatsoever. Sam is obviously a dodgy character and he only has himself to blame.

After reading about what he's done / said in more detail I think a sacking is a little harsh and he probably wouldn't have been sacked by a club but he is still thick as fuck for putting himself up as a target
 
Hark at Mother Theresa here.

Who are you exactly to be sitting in judgement about what someone should and shouldn't do?

He's said some ill advised things which he has apologised for and paid a heavy price by losing his job.

Boils my piss people on here coming over superior and falling over themselves to sick the boot in without being in full possession of facts/context.

People have got short memories.
Got a few skeletons in your closet by any chance?
 
Hark at Mother Theresa here.

Who are you exactly to be sitting in judgement about what someone should and shouldn't do?

He's said some ill advised things which he has apologised for and paid a heavy price by losing his job.

Boils my piss people on here coming over superior and falling over themselves to sick the boot in without being in full possession of facts/context.

People have got short memories.
What a silly thing to say it's my opinion no more and no less
 
Hark at Mother Theresa here.

Who are you exactly to be sitting in judgement about what someone should and shouldn't do?

He's said some ill advised things which he has apologised for and paid a heavy price by losing his job.

Boils my piss people on here coming over superior and falling over themselves to sick the boot in without being in full possession of facts/context.

People have got short memories.

What a strange response.

The lass is not sitting in judgement, I assume she's simply calling it as she sees it based upon what we've all seen from the Telegraph sting.

The very minimum BSA is guilty of is being an absolute fool by opening his gob in front of complete strangers, but at worst he comes across as a venal, arrogant, boorish chancer who was quite prepared to take the piss out of an organisation that had just given him a £3m pa contract.

It's nowt to do with short memories.

He was one of very few managers currently working that could have kept us up last season, but that doesn't mean we should continue to turn a blind eye to his long suspected short-comings.

The bloke got his just desserts and the taties on here who would have him back need to take a long hard look at themselves.
 
Remember this! Sept. 2006.
You can understand why when bungs were mentioned he shot it down immediately. :lol:

Sam Allardyce was last night accused by two football agents of accepting bungs in secret filming conducted by investigators from the BBC's Panorama programme. Peter Harrison and his French associate Teni Yerima have claimed that the Bolton Wanderers manager had taken illicit payments in the course of his transfer activity.

The two agents alleged that Allardyce, who was on the short list to succeed Sven-Goran Eriksson as England manager, has received undeclared monies.

Harrison, a well-known figure in football, suggested it requires a close relationship with club officials if covert money is to change hands. Speaking specifically about the payment of bungs, Harrison said told undercover reporters: "When you first go and you approach people they go 'ah, no, no.' There's some [managers] I've offered money to who I know ... But I mean this one I know will do good business and he's a good guy."

Allardyce's son Craig is a practising agent who, Harrison alleged, takes payments in order to facilitate transfer deals involving Bolton. "If I say, 'Listen Sam, I'll give Craig some money' ... he'll say, 'Yeah, OK, well do a deal," said Harrison in footage broadcast last night on Panorama's Undercover: Football's Dirty Secrets. Harrison has since claimed the payments to Craig Allardyce were legitimate.

Harrison yesterday promised a robust legal defence. "Have a good look at the programme and see where the bungs are: there aren't any," he said last night. "There is no film, no evidence of them happening at all; no money changes hands. I've been in football for a lot of years and I've never had anything at all to do with bungs and I wouldn't want to."

Panorama allege the transfers to Bolton of Tal Ben Haim, Hidetoshi Nakata and the goalkeeper Ali Al-Habsi had involved undisclosed payments to Craig Allardyce from other agents. His father, the Bolton manager, denied to the BBC that he has ever taken, asked for or received a bung and that he would not condone any illegal activity involving his son. Craig Allardyce told the BBC that he had exaggerated his importance in the deals to undercover reporters in order to attract business and denied any wrongdoing in his dealings with Bolton.

The programme alleged that Bolton were unaware of the payments to Craig Allardyce, which included a £50,000 for the Ben Haim transfer. However Craig Allardyce revealed to an undercover reporter that his father was aware of the payments. "Yeah, course he knew, course he knew ... I've never hidden anything," said the agent.

In the deals involving the Japan international midfielder Nakata and the Oman goalkeeper Al-Habsi, it was Harrison who allegedly paid Allardyce's son. Payments to Allardyce Jr for work involving Bolton do not in themselves constitute a specific breach of Football Association rules. It is not permitted for managers to deal with football agencies in which they hold a financial interest but there are no regulations about associations with relatives.

None the less, the Football Association has requested that the BBC forward its tape to its own compliance unit for further consideration. "We have watched the programme with interest; we have asked the BBC to submit its findings from the investigation to us," said a spokesman.

Again talking to secret cameras, Yerima, an agent licensed with the French football federation, expands on the mechanisms used to make undisclosed payments. "I have an account in Switzerland; I have an account in Monaco ... so, with those banks, we can try to give the money back," said Yerima. "And that [means] the general manager, the manager, is happy himself because he is involved inside the deal. That is the best way to work ... But I can also, if they want, we can bring the cash for them." Yerima, who could not be contacted last night, insisted to the BBC he had fabricated everything as part of a plot to find out the identities of the undercover reporters.

Harrison admitted to the reporters that he had organised a £30,000 payment to one high-profile club's chief scout, saying: "[The sum of] £30,000 to the chief scout - he's a good guy and that's a fortune to him ... Now he's trying to put another [player] in for us." When confronted, Harrison insisted everything he had told the reporters was pub gossip and banter.

Panorama made further allegations of a Chelsea plot to "tap up" Middlesbrough's England youth international Nathan Porritt, conducted by the Premiership champions' head of youth development Frank Arnesen. Chelsea deny any wrongdoing.
 
Exactly if he'd not met with them he couldn't have been trapped.
And in saying he was helping a friend he's still deflecting some of the responsibility. If he'd just said yes, I was stupid I apologise then I'd have had far more respect for him.


I don't think I ever said I was over the moon, but like the majority when Sam went I was more than happy with him. Things aren't great but I'm not ready to throw him to the dogs yet

The dogs would throw him back :D
 
Hark at Mother Theresa here.

Who are you exactly to be sitting in judgement about what someone should and shouldn't do?

He's said some ill advised things which he has apologised for and paid a heavy price by losing his job.

Boils my piss people on here coming over superior and falling over themselves to sick the boot in without being in full possession of facts/context.

People have got short memories.
Does that not work both ways though? I've seen folk defend him who don't know all of the "facts". There certainly suggestions today that there is more to this.
 
I doubt you've read any of it to be fair

He hasn't done anything remotely or even slightly illegal or corrupt

Modern day mob mentality always love to judge though



He really didn't like

Read the transcript

He said people do get around it



They either haven't read it or dont understand

I'd defend this if it was Alan shearer, I don't like this acceptance that he's done things he hasn't

Fuck all happened at that meeting

He slagged off the stadium and called Roy, woy
Problem with this is that's all about an agenda with some and they aren't even very subtle in trying to disguise it. Sam left us for England and that's left a few people very bitter so something like this is manner from heaven for them.
We've had a few threads now which apparently are 'just to start a discussion' yet by the end of the OP it's crystal clear what it's all about.
 
Problem with this is that's all about an agenda with some and they aren't even very subtle in trying to disguise it. Sam left us for England and that's left a few people very bitter so something like this is manner from heaven for them.
We've had a few threads now which apparently are 'just to start a discussion' yet by the end of the OP it's crystal clear what it's all about.
Regardless of who this is/was I'm very uncomfortable with it. People spend hard earned money following their team, why should we accept people who are trying to find methods to get even richer from the game.
 
The dogs would throw him back :D
:lol::lol:

Problem with this is that's all about an agenda with some and they aren't even very subtle in trying to disguise it. Sam left us for England and that's left a few people very bitter so something like this is manner from heaven for them.
We've had a few threads now which apparently are 'just to start a discussion' yet by the end of the OP it's crystal clear what it's all about.
It's got nothing to do with him leaving I was one of the main ones saying it was his dream job and I had no problem with it.
I'm just staying my opinion man
 
Regardless of who this is/was I'm very uncomfortable with it. People spend hard earned money following their team, why should we accept people who are trying to find methods to get even richer from the game.
Would this have impacted on his ability to do his job? I wouldn't have thought so. Big Sam likes the coin there's no getting away from it, read his book and he left us as a player in top flight to go to milwall in 3rd tier for more cash so he's probably always been like that but for me I just don't see what he's done that's so bad (from what's been reported thus far anyway).
The FA will no doubt pick some goon in the mould of Woy now who is absolutely useless but will mind his Ps and Qs!
It's a real shame as Sam is an excellent manager and I think he'd have done a good job.
 
Would this have impacted on his ability to do his job? I wouldn't have thought so. Big Sam likes the coin there's no getting away from it, read his book and he left us as a player in top flight to go to milwall in 3rd tier for more cash so he's probably always been like that but for me I just don't see what he's done that's so bad (from what's been reported thus far anyway).
The FA will no doubt pick some goon in the mould of Woy now who is absolutely useless but will mind his Ps and Qs!
It's a real shame as Sam is an excellent manager and I think he'd have done a good job.
It probably wouldn't and I have no dispute that Allardyce is a good manager. The problem is the message it sends out. You have to bare in mind the shit that FIFA have gone/going through, you have to bare in mind the message it puts out if he was allowed to continue. I said yesterday the bottom line is as England manager you can't put yourself in that position. I think it's strange how an England manager needs an agent. It's a position where you should have PR and administration staff organising things for you. All your duties should be dedicated to the role, there should be no conflicting interests what so ever.
 
It probably wouldn't and I have no dispute that Allardyce is a good manager. The problem is the message it sends out. You have to bare in mind the shit that FIFA have gone/going through, you have to bare in mind the message it puts out if he was allowed to continue. I said yesterday the bottom line is as England manager you can't put yourself in that position. I think it's strange how an England manager needs an agent. It's a position where you should have PR and administration staff organising things for you. All your duties should be dedicated to the role, there should be no conflicting interests what so ever.
To me Sam has been guilty of being a bit naive and also greedy. In my opinion a strong statement from FA and an apology from Sam should've sufficed but when it's England the press want blood.
I see no reason why this should affect him getting another job in football and the way some people have reacted to it is way OTT.
 
Pure and simple arrogance and greed. Thought he was billy big bollox and could conduct his England tenure in exactly the same way as his league management career and was too fuckin ignorant to realise this wasn't the case. Only himself to blame and couldn't give a shiney shite about what his future holds. Fuck all now to do with SAFC. I only hope his dodgy dealings don't have an effect on us, he's already fucked us over once !!!
Correct
 
Sam was sacked from us for being shite
Sacked from west ham for being shite
Sacked from England for bringing the FA into disrepute

Walked away from Sunderland the only plce he has done any good in the last 15 years...

To me it just shows how much of a daft cock he is.

To me Sam has been guilty of being a bit naive and also greedy. In my opinion a strong statement from FA and an apology from Sam should've sufficed but when it's England the press want blood.
I see no reason why this should affect him getting another job in football and the way some people have reacted to it is way OTT.

The man was the mouthpiece of the FA - he was their highest in office yet discusses ways to manipulate the rules in which he should be ardently defending as outlined by the governing body that employed him.

Sure he should be able to manage again, but would anyone want somebody that is clearly that thick?
 
Apparently there have been a fair number of injunctions obtained by individuals who were going to be named, which restricts what the Telegraph can actually print atm.
Says who? / source? - isn't it more a case that they have no cast-iron irrefutable proof (as yet)!in order to name and shame?
 
Sam was sacked from us for being shite
Sacked from west ham for being shite
Sacked from England for bringing the FA into disrepute

Walked away from Sunderland the only plce he has done any good in the last 15 years...

To me it just shows how much of a daft cock he is.



The man was the mouthpiece of the FA - he was their highest in office yet discusses ways to manipulate the rules in which he should be ardently defending as outlined by the governing body that employed him.

Sure he should be able to manage again, but would anyone want somebody that is clearly that thick?
Fuck off daft mag you are in the championship
 
Says who? / source? - isn't it more a case that they have no cast-iron irrefutable proof (as yet)!in order to name and shame?
I would have thought so. It seems it's agents that they have on camera naming manager's. Unless it comes out of the mouths of those managers then it's just accusations. Allardyce was arrogant enoough to think he could pull something off, so ended up in front of the camera.
 
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