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Did very little wrong like



How?

Read the syed piece in the times, blows through all the tabloid shit that you, the op and others are loving
telegraph's not a tabloid mate.

He hasn't done anything remotely or even slightly illegal or corrupt

Modern day mob mentality always love to judge though
you're judging like fk yourself - just coming up with different conclusions - still judging though :lol:
 
Because bad PR can trump virtually everything these days

Did he tell them to break a rule? Or just how to operate without breaking a rule?
It's all semantics man he was talking to business men about ways and means to avoid rules, his employers rules, when he's manager of England.
Most of us would have been sacked for doing the same, it beggars belief that people thinks Allardyce was above that.
People whinge all of the time because people in football get away with things people in ordinary jobs get away with, then there is the trotted out line about it can't be compared.
Well why can't it be compared and wh
Did very little wrong like



How?

Read the syed piece in the times, blows through all the tabloid shit that you, the op and others are loving
Loving it, I just gave an opinion the same as many are, I couldn't care one way or the other tbh. But I would have had a lot more respect for him if he'd apologised gracefully, instead of still blaming others, because entrapment or not if he hadn't gone he couldn't have been trapped. My opinion that's all

And lets be honest you'd defend him if you pinched your last rolo.
 
Did very little wrong like



How?

Read the syed piece in the times, blows through all the tabloid shit that you, the op and others are loving

I'm not loving it at all. I couldn't give a flying fuck about England or Allardyce but I'm just saddened by the greed and corruption that apparently widely exists in our game. Why someone like him who has just got his dream job and is financially set up for life wants to even entertain the idea of discussing these things with others,entrapment or no entrapment is beyond me. Like I said....a cretin!
 
on Ssn at the minute and still blaming entrapment and others, no responsibility for his own actions
with the information we have at the moment though Janey, its hard to see exactly what he has done wrong. Talking about getting round 3rd party ownership. In what context was that said for example. was it a statement of fact or was it for some other reason. name calling was a bit silly and he said he would have to run the job offer past the FA.

was this a conversion between people having a drink or was it there as an advisory group on how to circumvent.

until more comes out, we are just guessing. was he wise to say what he did. No simple as that
 
I doubt you've read any of it to be fair

He hasn't done anything remotely or even slightly illegal or corrupt

Modern day mob mentality always love to judge though

I've made no comment whatsoever on Sam's predicament since the news broke but carry on regardless, I'm sure you're a constant source of amusement for many on here. In the sense that a little yappy puppy can occasionally provide a moment or two of enjoyment before the novelty wears thin.
 
That he told them how to get around 3 party ownership rules, an FA rule
Not quite; he said that the rules on 3rd party ownership were being circumvented and he knew how it's done. He named 3 persons/clubs that were still doing it. I've not read anywhere the transcript of where "he told them how to get around 3 party ownership rules".
 
with the information we have at the moment though Janey, its hard to see exactly what he has done wrong. Talking about getting round 3rd party ownership. In what context was that said for example. was it a statement of fact or was it for some other reason. name calling was a bit silly and he said he would have to run the job offer past the FA.

was this a conversion between people having a drink or was it there as an advisory group on how to circumvent.

until more comes out, we are just guessing. was he wise to say what he did. No simple as that
aye but he was the England manager mate not a cast member of geordie shore
 
aye but he was the England manager mate not a cast member of geordie shore

true and from that perspective he should have kept his mouth shut. How did BSA look upon these people, how many times had he met them. first meeting he was a fool, 3 or 4 meeting just having some craic over a beer.

What I cant understand, is why was he meeting these people anyway. what was explained to him as the purpose. alarm bells should have been ringing
 
true and from that perspective he should have kept his mouth shut. How did BSA look upon these people, how many times had he met them. first meeting he was a fool, 3 or 4 meeting just having some craic over a beer.

What I cant understand, is why was he meeting these people anyway. what was explained to him as the purpose. alarm bells should have been ringing
helping his poor mate out apparently - he was in desperate need of a bit cash, well, quarter of a million squid :lol:
 
His experience suggests he would actively encourage such situations rather than avoid them
As I said, he should have been smart enough to realise that as manager of the national team his behaviour would have to be exemplary. Even more so when you consider the panorama documentary all those years ago, unsubstantiated or otherwise that should have served as a warning to him. His profile as England manager was considerably higher than it was at the time that took place.
 
"Unfortunately it was an error of judgment on my behalf and I have paid the price"

That sounds like someone taken responsibility. Some of our fans are unbelievable. Without Allardyce we'd be in The Championship. But the SMB sticks the boot in. It's not just Allardyce. SKP, Sess, Quinny and Marco all get the same treatment!

It sounds like something you would say to the wife after she caught you out with another woman.

The only thing he regrets is being caught.
 
Not quite; he said that the rules on 3rd party ownership were being circumvented and he knew how it's done. He named 3 persons/clubs that were still doing it. I've not read anywhere the transcript of where "he told them how to get around 3 party ownership rules".
Semantics though really, in his position he shouldn't have even been having that conversation with a bunch of strangers over a pint of wine.

with the information we have at the moment though Janey, its hard to see exactly what he has done wrong. Talking about getting round 3rd party ownership. In what context was that said for example. was it a statement of fact or was it for some other reason. name calling was a bit silly and he said he would have to run the job offer past the FA.

was this a conversion between people having a drink or was it there as an advisory group on how to circumvent.

until more comes out, we are just guessing. was he wise to say what he did. No simple as that
The thing for me is that he shouldn't have put himself in that position.
I and many other people would have been in bother if we'd been caught telling people how to break our employers laws or even suggested it was possible. If he'd not been where he was he wouldn't have been caught.
It's just my opinion but he was a sitting duck waiting to be shot and his arrogance and greed allowed the bullets to be fired. And while saying he regrets it he's still trying to deflect responsibility for his actions on to others.
 
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It's all semantics man he was talking to business men about ways and means to avoid rules, his employers rules, when he's manager of England.
Most of us would have been sacked for doing the same, it beggars belief that people thinks Allardyce was above that.
People whinge all of the time because people in football get away with things people in ordinary jobs get away with, then there is the trotted out line about it can't be compared.
Well why can't it be compared and wh

Loving it, I just gave an opinion the same as many are, I couldn't care one way or the other tbh. But I would have had a lot more respect for him if he'd apologised gracefully, instead of still blaming others, because entrapment or not if he hadn't gone he couldn't have been trapped. My opinion that's all

And lets be honest you'd defend him if you pinched your last rolo.
If I do or say anything that my employer considers a bad reflection on the company I lose my job, it's in my contract, simple as that. For what it's worth I think Sam has had his pants taken down but he has no one to blame for that but himself for being in that situation in the first place. I know he said he was doing a friend of thirty years a favour, I can understand that. But why he allowed these reporters to lead him to saying the things he did baffles me. I thought he was a lot smarter than that.
 
If I do or say anything that my employer considers a bad reflection on the company I lose my job, it's in my contract, simple as that. For what it's worth I think Sam has had his pants taken down but he has no one to blame for that but himself for being in that situation in the first place. I know he said he was doing a friend of thirty years a favour, I can understand that. But why he allowed these reporters to lead him to saying the things he did baffles me. I thought he was a lot smarter than that.
Exactly if he'd not met with them he couldn't have been trapped.
And in saying he was helping a friend he's still deflecting some of the responsibility. If he'd just said yes, I was stupid I apologise then I'd have had far more respect for him.

Still over the moon with Moyes Janey?
I don't think I ever said I was over the moon, but like the majority when Sam went I was more than happy with him. Things aren't great but I'm not ready to throw him to the dogs yet
 
Exactly if he'd not met with them he couldn't have been trapped.
And in saying he was helping a friend he's still deflecting some of the responsibility. If he'd just said yes, I was stupid I apologise then I'd have had far more respect for him.


I don't think I ever said I was over the moon, but like the majority when Sam went I was more than happy with him. Things aren't great but I'm not ready to throw him to the dogs yet

I'd have been out the door like shit off a shovel at the first mention of TPOs, given he didn't know who he was talking to I'm astonished he didn't smell a rat.
 
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