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Tee hee ~ he got a huge pay-off for 67 days' work....he's laughing all the way to the bank....and his next job managing in the Premier League.
He might be laughing all the way to the bank but I'm pretty sure he thinks something's are more important than money, and he lost one of this things important to him. As a consequence he will be forever remembered as the bloke who lost his dream job within 67 days.
 
Achievements and success are all relative. For the clubs he's been in charge of he's done pretty much all that could be asked but the big job had alluded him for a variety of reasons. His percieved style of play, his gruff outspoken persona and also like he said because he's English and not called Sam Allerdici.
The job he done at Bolton was outstanding and his reward was a middle of road club like Newcastle who found themselves with a new chairman just after he'd been appointed by the old one. A truly ridiculous sacking that one.
Pochettino does no better a job at Saints and walks straight into a big job like Spurs which became a big job due to another much maligned Englishmsn in Arry who took them from rock bottom to champions league after a whole host of foreigners had been and failed.
Eddie Howe currently doing a fantastic job at Bournemouth will never in my opinion get a big job because again he's English.
That might be going off on a tangent but I'm just trying to get point across as to why Sam has never been given the big show. Guardiola obviously a very good manager but it must make life a lot easier when you walk straight into the Barca job mind.
As for sympathy I wouldn't say I'm losing any sleep over his predicament but I'm a compassionate person who appreciates that people can make errors of judgement, and this one in particular is no more than a bloke thinking he can earn a few quid without really doing anything that's illegal. Yes he should've been more savvy given his employment situation but I think a strongly worded statement from FA and an apology from Sam should've sufficed.
Ultimately I just want to see England succeed and I think big Sam would've given us a good chance of that, unfortunately we now have yet another chinless wonder in charge in the same mould as Woy who'll play everything with a straight bat. I can't wait! :rolleyes:

Lot of things to cover there mate, firstly I totally agree would like to see England succeed but problems run a lot deeper than the manager,Sam would not have changed them,for example the defeat against Iceland had nothing to do with Roy,but everything to do with the players bottling it on the big stage yet again,Roy could not be blamed for Kane not been able to trap a ball or Rooney misplacing his every single pass,everyone of them players on the night were like rabbits in the headlights.

FA had no choice but to finish Sam,as he is a figurehead and can't as a organisation have Sam representing them after that,it wasn't just the error of judgement that got me,it was his whole attitude throughout the meeting.

I like to thing myself as a compassionate person too who can understand errors of judgement,but not the completely wrong attitude which is what Sam displays to me ( just me opinion) them attitudes display the person he is,not a very nice bloke at all,again just me opinion.

Suppose I agree to a extent that he probably has done as much as he could at the clubs he has been at,and yes it is relative, but to say if his name was Sam Allerdici he would have got the Madrid job was way over the top and again just goes to show his over inflated opinion of himself.

I think the title of the thread sums Sam up for me,he has always been a bloke unable to take responsibility and admit his mistakes,it is always somebody's else fault,he strikes me as a bloke with zero class.
 
And still people queuing up to dance on the blokes grave. Very sad.
People who are using arrogance as a stick to beat him with are out of order as well, his arrogance or confidence as id prefer to call it is what has made him the manager he is, I have no issue with it. It's part of the reason we are still a premier league club.
As for taking job for his own ego of course he did, but if he does a good job then the people of this country will also reap the benefits. Does anybody really think that Guardiola goes skipping round Europe winning trophies for the good people of Munich,barca and Manchester? Of course he doesn't it's all for the challenge and to feather his CV, nothing wrong with that either by the way.
Big Sam is greedy but I don't think he's a bad bloke and the gutter press will love every second of dragging him through the mud and to hell with his family.
There are people on this thread who were defending the club with the facts staring then right in the face in regards to AJ yet are quite happy to see Allardyce flung under the bus. Staggering!

That's as poor a post as I've ever seen on here tbh.

You're criticising posters, as usual, for posting their opinions.

You're confusing yourself with club & international football.

You're mixing up personal arrogance with professional confidence.

You're blaming the media in some way for reporting facts

You're suggesting he is being dragged through the mud rather than having plunged headlong into it like the greedy pig he obviously is.

You're implying the media shouldn't do their job because of Allardyce's poor family.

You're even managing to drag AJ into your 'defence' of Sam who 'really isn't a bad bloke'.

And you think other people are staggering and sad ...... you just don't seem to get the point that he's been a very naughty boy do you?

It amazes me that some still claim he's done nothing wrong...
He works for the FA ffs.

Part of being England manager is acting as a figurehead, setting an example and being reasonable, not perfect, with your actions & words .... Huddle wasn't and was sacked, Allardyce wasn't and was sacked.

It's no big deal and no surprise.

I've no idea why the FA thought Allardyce could fit the blazer tbh, it's like asking Sid Snot to be a diplomatic ambassador ..... I really like Allardyce but he was never the right man for the England job, footballing issues apart.
 
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That's as poor a post as I've ever seen on here tbh.

You're criticising posters, as usual, for posting their opinions.

You're confusing yourself with club & international football.

You're mixing up personal arrogance with professional confidence.

You're blaming the media in some way for reporting facts

You're suggesting he is being dragged through the mud rather than having plunged headlong into it like the greedy pig he obviously is.

You're implying the media shouldn't do their job because of Allardyce's poor family.

You're even managing to drag AJ into your 'defence' of Sam who 'really isn't a bad bloke'.

And you think other people are staggering and sad ...... you just don't seem to get the point that he's been a very naughty boy do you?



Part of being England manager is acting as a figurehead, setting an example and being reasonable, not perfect, with your actions & words .... Huddle wasn't and was sacked, Allardyce wasn't and was sacked.

It's no big deal and no surprise.

I've no idea why the FA thought Allardyce could fit the blazer tbh, it's like asking Sid Snot to be a diplomatic ambassador ..... I really like Allardyce but he was never the right man for the England job, footballing issues apart.
Well said. The bloke IS as arrogant as they come, someone who will never be able to help themselves. He absolutely loves himself, anyone who thinks otherwise is quite frankly talking shite.
 
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Ultimately I just want to see England succeed and I think big Sam would've given us a good chance of that, unfortunately we now have yet another chinless wonder in charge in the same mould as Woy who'll play everything with a straight bat. I can't wait! :rolleyes:
Billy Smart, The Great Soprendo and Pope Francis combined would struggle to knock the bunch of talentless lily livered prima donnas we currently have as an England squad into a successful team.
 
That's as poor a post as I've ever seen on here tbh.

You're criticising posters, as usual, for posting their opinions.

You're confusing yourself with club & international football.

You're mixing up personal arrogance with professional confidence.

You're blaming the media in some way for reporting facts

You're suggesting he is being dragged through the mud rather than having plunged headlong into it like the greedy pig he obviously is.

You're implying the media shouldn't do their job because of Allardyce's poor family.

You're even managing to drag AJ into your 'defence' of Sam who 'really isn't a bad bloke'.

And you think other people are staggering and sad ...... you just don't seem to get the point that he's been a very naughty boy do you?



Part of being England manager is acting as a figurehead, setting an example and being reasonable, not perfect, with your actions & words .... Huddle wasn't and was sacked, Allardyce wasn't and was sacked.

It's no big deal and no surprise.

I've no idea why the FA thought Allardyce could fit the blazer tbh, it's like asking Sid Snot to be a diplomatic ambassador ..... I really like Allardyce but he was never the right man for the England job, footballing issues apart.
So I'm criticising posters for posting opinions whilst you claim my opinions are poor? That not a criticism then?
I'm not confusing anything, you're the one having a go at Sam for it being all about ego why he chose job when that's the case for anyone taking a high profile job. They aren't doing it just to see everyone else being merry.
The media are shithouses plain and simple.
I use the AJ example as some defended the club (not AJ himself) to the bitter end when it was crystal clear to anyone not putting their fingers in ears and shouting nah nah nah that they'd dropped a monumental bollock. Much the same as they'd be doing now if Sam was still our manager but because he left its open season as far as some are concerned. I don't expect anyone to concede this of course even though it's blatantly obvious.
He's been greedy and he's been naive but the punishment doesn't fit the crime for me and I think it's very sad that people are revelling in the demise of a bloke who's biggest crime is being a bit greedy. Of course the moral crusaders sat in their ivory towers are enjoying every second of it to play judge, jury and executioner.
Must be great being perfect!

Lot of things to cover there mate, firstly I totally agree would like to see England succeed but problems run a lot deeper than the manager,Sam would not have changed them,for example the defeat against Iceland had nothing to do with Roy,but everything to do with the players bottling it on the big stage yet again,Roy could not be blamed for Kane not been able to trap a ball or Rooney misplacing his every single pass,everyone of them players on the night were like rabbits in the headlights.

FA had no choice but to finish Sam,as he is a figurehead and can't as a organisation have Sam representing them after that,it wasn't just the error of judgement that got me,it was his whole attitude throughout the meeting.

I like to thing myself as a compassionate person too who can understand errors of judgement,but not the completely wrong attitude which is what Sam displays to me ( just me opinion) them attitudes display the person he is,not a very nice bloke at all,again just me opinion.

Suppose I agree to a extent that he probably has done as much as he could at the clubs he has been at,and yes it is relative, but to say if his name was Sam Allerdici he would have got the Madrid job was way over the top and again just goes to show his over inflated opinion of himself.

I think the title of the thread sums Sam up for me,he has always been a bloke unable to take responsibility and admit his mistakes,it is always somebody's else fault,he strikes me as a bloke with zero class.
In fairness to you mate your opinion is one that I value and respect as their is no agenda and I fully accept that this is what you believe and that's fair enough.
To pick up on a few other things though, Hodgson could be blamed for continuing with Kane as he'd looked poor all tournament. He could be blamed for still having no idea who is best team was despite being in job 4 years. I also can't inmagine him being the most inspiring of individuals either to be fair. He just came across as a man totally out of touch.
As for the Allerdici comment I do think he was merely embellishing his point when he mentioned Madrid. The broader point in my opinion was that of English managers being overlooked for the bigger jobs in which he has a point.
 
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So I'm criticising posters for posting opinions whilst you claim my opinions are poor? That not a criticism then?
I'm not confusing anything, you're the one having a go at Sam for it being all about ego why he chose job when that's the case for anyone taking a high profile job. They aren't doing it just to see everyone else being merry.
The media are shithouses plain and simple.
I use the AJ example as some defended the club (not AJ himself) to the bitter end when it was crystal clear to anyone not putting their fingers in ears and shouting nah nah nah that they'd dropped a monumental bollock. Much the same as they'd be doing now if Sam was still our manager but because he left its open season as far as some are concerned. I don't expect anyone to concede this of course even though it's blatantly obvious.
He's been greedy and he's been naive but the punishment doesn't fit the crime for me and I think it's very sad that people are revelling in the demise of a bloke who's biggest crime is being a bit greedy. Of course the moral crusaders sat in their ivory towers are enjoying every second of it to play judge, jury and executioner.
Must be great being perfect!


In fairness to you mate your opinion is one that I value and respect as their is no agenda and I fully accept that this is what you believe and that's fair enough.
To pick up on a few other things though, Hodgson could be blamed for continuing with Kane as he'd looked poor all tournament. He could be blamed for still having no idea who is best team was despite being in job 4 years. I also can't inmagine him being the most inspiring of individuals either to be fair. He just came across as a man totally out of touch.
As for the Allerdici comment I do think he was merely embellishing his point when he mentioned Madrid. The broader point in my opinion was that of English managers being overlooked for the bigger jobs in which he has a point.

He's been a very naughty boy ...... you have to take responsibility for your actions. If he thought that part of his multimillion contract allowed him to skank around sniffing out extra dosh then he's an absolute idiot.

Not the kind of person we should have as national manager.
 
So I'm criticising posters for posting opinions whilst you claim my opinions are poor? That not a criticism then?
I'm not confusing anything, you're the one having a go at Sam for it being all about ego why he chose job when that's the case for anyone taking a high profile job. They aren't doing it just to see everyone else being merry.
The media are shithouses plain and simple.
I use the AJ example as some defended the club (not AJ himself) to the bitter end when it was crystal clear to anyone not putting their fingers in ears and shouting nah nah nah that they'd dropped a monumental bollock. Much the same as they'd be doing now if Sam was still our manager but because he left its open season as far as some are concerned. I don't expect anyone to concede this of course even though it's blatantly obvious.
He's been greedy and he's been naive but the punishment doesn't fit the crime for me and I think it's very sad that people are revelling in the demise of a bloke who's biggest crime is being a bit greedy. Of course the moral crusaders sat in their ivory towers are enjoying every second of it to play judge, jury and executioner.
Must be great being perfect!


In fairness to you mate your opinion is one that I value and respect as their is no agenda and I fully accept that this is what you believe and that's fair enough.
To pick up on a few other things though, Hodgson could be blamed for continuing with Kane as he'd looked poor all tournament. He could be blamed for still having no idea who is best team was despite being in job 4 years. I also can't inmagine him being the most inspiring of individuals either to be fair. He just came across as a man totally out of touch.
As for the Allerdici comment I do think he was merely embellishing his point when he mentioned Madrid. The broader point in my opinion was that of English managers being overlooked for the bigger jobs in which he has a point.

Yeah fair enough mate,there is no doubt Hodgson was a poor England manager and persisting with Kane and Sterling in that tournament when both clearly out of form and low on confidence was a big mistake,was merely making the point in the Iceland game,.players totally froze and tend too in our big games whoever is the manager,it is a mentality thing for the players and I agree strongly with post 250 that no fucker could turn England into a good side at the moment.

However we will have to agree to disagree about English managers been overlooked for big jobs,I think the answer is simple the foreign ones are better, probably over generalising it but in general I believe there are simply more intelligent, I mean compare the likes of Wenger,Klopp,Pep etc over people like Sam,Redknapp and Bruce.

Even before the money came flying into the premier league,did foreign times consider appointing a English manager,very rarely,did English teams consider appointing a foreign manager, a lot more often.
 
He might be laughing all the way to the bank but I'm pretty sure he thinks something's are more important than money, and he lost one of this things important to him. As a consequence he will be forever remembered as the bloke who lost his dream job within 67 days.
He obviously doesn't. No-one compromises a "dream job" for extra cash that's probably insignificant in his bank balance.

His only dream is his f***ing ego. It is the only thing that he cares about. That "dream job" rubbish is nonsense.
 
He obviously doesn't. No-one compromises a "dream job" for extra cash that's probably insignificant in his bank balance.

His only dream is his f***ing ego. It is the only thing that he cares about. That "dream job" rubbish is nonsense.
It's like being married to the dream woman and shagging the barmaid at your local ... arrogant, stupid and a high chance of being caught out.
 
Feeling a bit sad for bsa this morning.

He got to be England manager and messed it all up. :confused:

Stupid owld bastard.
so why would you feel sorry for him.......................................

So I'm criticising posters for posting opinions whilst you claim my opinions are poor? That not a criticism then?
I'm not confusing anything, you're the one having a go at Sam for it being all about ego why he chose job when that's the case for anyone taking a high profile job. They aren't doing it just to see everyone else being merry.
The media are shithouses plain and simple.
I use the AJ example as some defended the club (not AJ himself) to the bitter end when it was crystal clear to anyone not putting their fingers in ears and shouting nah nah nah that they'd dropped a monumental bollock. Much the same as they'd be doing now if Sam was still our manager but because he left its open season as far as some are concerned. I don't expect anyone to concede this of course even though it's blatantly obvious.
He's been greedy and he's been naive but the punishment doesn't fit the crime for me and I think it's very sad that people are revelling in the demise of a bloke who's biggest crime is being a bit greedy. Of course the moral crusaders sat in their ivory towers are enjoying every second of it to play judge, jury and executioner.
Must be great being perfect!


In fairness to you mate your opinion is one that I value and respect as their is no agenda and I fully accept that this is what you believe and that's fair enough.
To pick up on a few other things though, Hodgson could be blamed for continuing with Kane as he'd looked poor all tournament. He could be blamed for still having no idea who is best team was despite being in job 4 years. I also can't inmagine him being the most inspiring of individuals either to be fair. He just came across as a man totally out of touch.
As for the Allardyce comment I do think he was merely embellishing his point when he mentioned Madrid. The broader point in my opinion was that of English managers being overlooked for the bigger jobs in which he has a point.

When i saw the words naive and greedy in the same sentence as regards to Big Sam, and your perception of us as fans defending a position
' for " the club above that is morally wrong until we know the the facts about AJ, .......well, must be great using your own judgement

It's like being married to the dream woman and shagging the barmaid at your local ... arrogant, stupid and a high chance of being caught out.
It's like being married to the dream woman and shagging the barmaid at your local ... arrogant, stupid and a high chance of being caught out.
but what if as is the norm, the barmaid at the local is the actual and achievable dream woman..............who understands your patter
 
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