Black Cat Gypsy
Striker
If we are I don't see. It looks like they are trying to run a big club in the old fashioned way before BSkyB.
My local club Bohemians are ran like a community club and this here is nothing like it.
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My local club Bohemians are ran like a community club and this here is nothing like it.
You don't see that they have prioritised signing hard working players who seem to have humility and respect, work hard and are good team players? I'd say the likes of O'Nien and Power exemplify that. Dobson seems another from the same mould. The fact that Baldwin was a captain suggests he likely has similar traits, Loovens was seen as a good pro. Gooch is like that and has remained a part of the side, I'm sure Willis was praised for his attitude prior to joining as well. For all his faults the manager seems very hard working, fairly humble. The attitudes of pretty much every player have been widely praised, I can only think of Maguire who maybe stands out as an outlier in that regard. The fact we haven't gone for Maddison (much though I'd like him here) might be due to money, or it might be because he doesn't fit the culture they want to create here.
The Sniper
Subs Bench
Used to agree with this...and applauded it..but there is a middle ground most people do not (understandbly) seem aware of or fully understand. This monster is called ROI or in financial terms...shorting (manipulating) your own self governing/affecting market. The theory being short term medium/high term investment elevates the invested entity into a higher level (eg League 1 to ChampionshipProper decisions - Reducing 35m losses, dealing with disruptive want away players, visiting fans, spending more than all our rivals, getting investment, clearing court cases (7). improvements needed & mistakes made sure but I can assure u I won’t stop till I get it right 4 u all
He’s working hard behind the scenes.
Hawayyy the Don
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Black Cat Gypsy
Striker
No. I see us signing players because they are good League One players. We have a good squad but we can't make a team out of them. If you take Barcelona as an example they you know that they sign players to suit their style of play. Academy players play the same way as the first team. They have a designed system to identify players attributes which commitment is only one.
Hard work is all well and good but in the modern game you need more.
Aye but I'm not talking about style of play though, I'm talking about the culture of the organisation (which includes players all the way through staff, owners etc). You could have a commitment culture whilst also targeting players who suit the style of play the manager wants (which I agree we haven't really done), I'm talking about the nature/ attitude of the people the owners want in the club, not the style of play
chriswallace85
Striker
Oh sorry is culturally too hard for you? Never mind, let me put it in easy words for you. The. Rotten. Core.
Silly awld bugger.
Bin called way worse than that
chriswallace85
Striker
Bin called way worse than that
Now to clarify a few points...
Of course managing a football team is harder than it looks from the stands, but I feel we're making things difficult for ourselves. I merely suggested an alternative in where we need to recruit, a formation the players are more comfortable with, and picking the best players on match day.
No, culturally isn't "too hard for me". I fully understand what is meant by the culture of a club, and ok, perhaps the culture at Sunderland was broken. But then again, I'm not entirely sure what the culture of Sunderland AFC is meant to be. Has it ever been defined? It's certainly not written down anywhere. It seemed to me though you were suggesting it's been fixed by the new owners, something I thought laughable. Footballing wise, there's bugger all fixed as far as I can see. And as for mentioning the infamous Rotten Core - ha'way man, the fact that that bullshit ever gained traction is indeed something that's culturally wrong at this football club.
As for Bury - ok, you meant in terms of admin. I just find it a lazy comparison by a number of people to compare our (hypothetical) situation to that of Bury or Bolton, so it was a general comment rather than a dig at your post. I use brackets there because administration for us never came to pass - at least not yet. And I'm not sure how much of a threat it really was - my guess is that it wasn't much of a threat at all. Short for all his faults made sure that SBC debt was sorted out, he identified the monies and set the parameters by which it would be paid. I think that would have happened regardless of Stewart Donald's involvement. Hope that's not too hard for you.
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weebil64
Striker
Ah, the Bachelors.
bonnylad
Winger
weebil64
Striker
It was good but not a patch on Ramona.Sad to say I'm old enough to remember that one anarl.
Cheers for the clarification,
Don’t disagree on the team, results have been so variable so far this season it’s difficult to tell from the stands what’s going on. I was really disappointed against Oxford, the formation three at the back and then a really poor first half. At least in the second half we pressed a bit but overall ...
Then last night different formation different players and I was surprised and pleased.
On the culture point, I know you get it and my point about the rotten core is not a belief in a conspiracy theory but just knowing we had a bunch of highly paid players not up for it and with the experience to be a really poor influence on new and younger players.
Culture for me is behajviour, full stop. That’s how England won the rugby World Cup in 2003 by being clear what was and what was not acceptable player behaviour and most importantly heavily sanctioning poor behaviour, usually by not picking the player.
Bury is that there is a real chance sorry to say they will go out of business. I think when we were relegated the second time there was a chance of Short cutting his losses and leaving us facing the same sort of challenge. I don’t know the rules of administration for footy clubs, given the value of the crowd and the stadium someone would have bought in for a song but then maybe you have to start in the Conference, no idea.
Anyway, sorry for the long reply but you went to the trouble so I thought I should too.
I reckon we are in violent agreement, haway the board!!
In turn here’s mine FWIW
Now to clarify a few points...
Of course managing a football team is harder than it looks from the stands, but I feel we're making things difficult for ourselves. I merely suggested an alternative in where we need to recruit, a formation the players are more comfortable with, and picking the best players on match day.
No, culturally isn't "too hard for me". I fully understand what is meant by the culture of a club, and ok, perhaps the culture at Sunderland was broken. But then again, I'm not entirely sure what the culture of Sunderland AFC is meant to be. Has it ever been defined? It's certainly not written down anywhere. It seemed to me though you were suggesting it's been fixed by the new owners, something I thought laughable. Footballing wise, there's bugger all fixed as far as I can see. And as for mentioning the infamous Rotten Core - ha'way man, the fact that that bullshit ever gained traction is indeed something that's culturally wrong at this football club.
As for Bury - ok, you meant in terms of admin. I just find it a lazy comparison by a number of people to compare our (hypothetical) situation to that of Bury or Bolton, so it was a general comment rather than a dig at your post. I use brackets there because administration for us never came to pass - at least not yet. And I'm not sure how much of a threat it really was - my guess is that it wasn't much of a threat at all. Short for all his faults made sure that SBC debt was sorted out, he identified the monies and set the parameters by which it would be paid. I think that would have happened regardless of Stewart Donald's involvement. Hope that's not too hard for you.
Don’t disagree on the team, results have been so variable so far this season it’s difficult to tell from the stands what’s going on. I was really disappointed against Oxford, the formation three at the back and then a really poor first half. At least in the second half we pressed a bit but overall ...
Then last night different formation different players and I was surprised and pleased.
On the culture point, I know you get it and my point about the rotten core is not a belief in a conspiracy theory but just knowing we had a bunch of highly paid players not up for it and with the experience to be a really poor influence on new and younger players.
Culture for me is behajviour, full stop. That’s how England won the rugby World Cup in 2003 by being clear what was and what was not acceptable player behaviour and most importantly heavily sanctioning poor behaviour, usually by not picking the player.
Bury is that there is a real chance sorry to say they will go out of business. I think when we were relegated the second time there was a chance of Short cutting his losses and leaving us facing the same sort of challenge. I don’t know the rules of administration for footy clubs, given the value of the crowd and the stadium someone would have bought in for a song but then maybe you have to start in the Conference, no idea.
Anyway, sorry for the long reply but you went to the trouble so I thought I should too.
I reckon we are in violent agreement, haway the board!!
kildaremackem
Striker
I do think there was a business culture problem at safc (dont know on the football side0 ajd i do think the owners have fixed it on the buisness side..if there is a cultural problem on the football side, in no way can they be said to have fixed it, and indeed with some of ther actions have just completely bought into it..
Now to clarify a few points...
Of course managing a football team is harder than it looks from the stands, but I feel we're making things difficult for ourselves. I merely suggested an alternative in where we need to recruit, a formation the players are more comfortable with, and picking the best players on match day.
No, culturally isn't "too hard for me". I fully understand what is meant by the culture of a club, and ok, perhaps the culture at Sunderland was broken. But then again, I'm not entirely sure what the culture of Sunderland AFC is meant to be. Has it ever been defined? It's certainly not written down anywhere. It seemed to me though you were suggesting it's been fixed by the new owners, something I thought laughable. Footballing wise, there's bugger all fixed as far as I can see. And as for mentioning the infamous Rotten Core - ha'way man, the fact that that bullshit ever gained traction is indeed something that's culturally wrong at this football club.
As for Bury - ok, you meant in terms of admin. I just find it a lazy comparison by a number of people to compare our (hypothetical) situation to that of Bury or Bolton, so it was a general comment rather than a dig at your post. I use brackets there because administration for us never came to pass - at least not yet. And I'm not sure how much of a threat it really was - my guess is that it wasn't much of a threat at all. Short for all his faults made sure that SBC debt was sorted out, he identified the monies and set the parameters by which it would be paid. I think that would have happened regardless of Stewart Donald's involvement. Hope that's not too hard for you.
JimmyQuinn
Winger
By blowing their load in January?
kildaremackem
Striker
i regard over paying for grigg as being a continuation of the prevously poor football culture, the shot termism on n the football side.
Not sure any evidence they blew their load then like, this window will tell us..
JimmyQuinn
Winger
kildaremackem
Striker
this eindow isnt over,...if its like this when the window has closed it will tell us..It already has
JimmyQuinn
Winger
And you'll change your tune again?
kildaremackem
Striker
no..the facts will be established then...my opinion will be refective of those..we need several players...
same as my view of the onwers has chnaged draatically for the negative in recent months..but you cant see that..,
JimmyQuinn
Winger
You're a bit like your mates - just saying something doesn't make it true. You pop up on here at any hint of criticism then throw in a token critique to try and convince people. Doesn't work.
