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Are you just ignoring the £34.1m put into a cash reserve, then?

Ashley's mindset seemed to be different then and that was in a time when he was in favour with the support. It was after their hatchet job on Keegan (proven in court) that the relationship between Ashley and the support turned sour.

Ah, the classic 'judge us in the summer'. In it's 4th iteration I believe this year.

4th year.....our magic carpet is now threadbare
 
I think the biggest mistake Ashley has made is listening to the fans early in his stint. When everyone was clamouring for Keegan to come back, and he listened, and then it didn't work out, I did not see the Newcastle supporters put their hands up and take the blame for that. From that point on they have had an overinflated sense of entitlement to their say over what happens in the club. For a long time when Pardew was doing a passable job, their argument was pretty much that London people should not be managing the club. Again they got exactly what they wanted with Shearer and Carver, and with the last two of their own they have had in charge they have done spectacularly badly.

I think they are carrying the burden of their failure to win anything during their more successful spell. Every time they failed to move forward they indignant stomped their feet and demanded change, and after Sir Bobby Robson every time they got a change, it got a little bit worse.

Now they are in a situation where they are not appealing for any manager to take over and they can not even attract the likes of Steve Maclaren. They will be the least attractive prospect for a new owner as well. Who wants to take on a club that will demonise you even when you are doing relatively well? Not many owners are going to see that as a just reward for dumping a shed load of cash in there. I doubt even the a rich Arab is going for that. They have managed to not only overtake Spurs as the leagues biggest moaners, they have set benchmarks in how indignant fans can be. Writing begging letters to Branson is just embarrassing.
 
I think the biggest mistake Ashley has made is listening to the fans early in his stint. When everyone was clamouring for Keegan to come back, and he listened, and then it didn't work out, I did not see the Newcastle supporters put their hands up and take the blame for that. From that point on they have had an overinflated sense of entitlement to their say over what happens in the club. For a long time when Pardew was doing a passable job, their argument was pretty much that London people should not be managing the club. Again they got exactly what they wanted with Shearer and Carver, and with the last two of their own they have had in charge they have done spectacularly badly.

I think they are carrying the burden of their failure to win anything during their more successful spell. Every time they failed to move forward they indignant stomped their feet and demanded change, and after Sir Bobby Robson every time they got a change, it got a little bit worse.

Now they are in a situation where they are not appealing for any manager to take over and they can not even attract the likes of Steve Maclaren. They will be the least attractive prospect for a new owner as well. Who wants to take on a club that will demonise you even when you are doing relatively well? Not many owners are going to see that as a just reward for dumping a shed load of cash in there. I doubt even the a rich Arab is going for that. They have managed to not only overtake Spurs as the leagues biggest moaners, they have set benchmarks in how indignant fans can be. Writing begging letters to Branson is just embarrassing.

Again, utter f***ing nonsense. We were perfectly happy with Chris Hughton in the Premier League until Ashley decided to remove him. Show me the poll which says we want Carver for the job unanimously please. I've seen one and it's over 95% in favour of the opposite.

I've skimmed the rest and it is just cliché ridden drivel.
 
Total conjecture. That season we'd played all of the easier games in Allardyce's half of the season, the January-March of that season was an absolute killer.

I speak for myself, not the rest of the fanbase.
Excuse my ignorance but don't you play the same teams in the second half of the season as you do the first?

Joke club.
 
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Where has the £34.1m put into a reserve come from? Has it fallen off a tree? It's money put into a cash reserve from profits earned.

Is it? So how come Newcastle have not announced profits totaling that amount in the last few years?

I believe a company only announces a profit after all liabilities are covered. This money in reserve will most likely be separate from profits and will be there to cover other outgoings, but I agree that it is money earned by NUFC.
 
Excuse my ignorance but don't you play the same teams in the second half of the season as you do the first?

Joke club.

Look at the fixtures for that season please, in the first half the majority of the games against the top teams were played at home.

Is it? So how come Newcastle have not announced profits totaling that amount in the last few years?

I believe a company only announces a profit after all liabilities are covered. This money in reserve will most likely be separate from profits and will be there to cover other outgoings, but I agree that it is money earned by NUFC.

You'll have to ask the creative team at NUFC. They have to release the 'headline statement' for profits by a certain date and then the accounts are published to a deadline later. A headline statement of £52.8m profit wouldn't have went down well with the growing 'Anti-Ashley' sentiment. It was only when the full accounts were published that the £34.1m reserve money was revealed.
 
Again, utter f***ing nonsense. We were perfectly happy with Chris Hughton in the Premier League until Ashley decided to remove him. Show me the poll which says we want Carver for the job unanimously please. I've seen one and it's over 95% in favour of the opposite.

I've skimmed the rest and it is just cliché ridden drivel.

Do you torture yourself here because you can not even stand your own supporters?

The point I was making was that a sizable chunk of your fans made it clear they did not want anyone from London running your club. The last two of your own people have made an utter mess of the job. You were all laughing when Pardew left for Crystal Palace, when they were looking like getting relegated, and they have been safe for weeks now. Carver is clearly not up to managing the team, but by being utter wankers towards some perfectly decent managers you have made it bloody difficult to find anyone to replace Pardew, so now you are stuck with your own. When you are getting turned down by the likes of Maclaren then you know you have messed up. Newcastle has zero goodwill at present.
 
You'll have to ask the creative team at NUFC. They have to release the 'headline statement' for profits by a certain date and then the accounts are published to a deadline later. A headline statement of £52.8m profit wouldn't have went down well with the growing 'Anti-Ashley' sentiment. It was only when the full accounts were published that the £34.1m reserve money was revealed.

So Ashley is lying about the NUFC accounts? Why don't you report him to the Inland Revenue? I assume you have evidence and this is more than a hunch?
 
Look at the fixtures for that season please, in the first half the majority of the games against the top teams were played at home.

So you play different teams away then?

You'll have to ask the creative team at NUFC. They have to release the 'headline statement' for profits by a certain date and then the accounts are published to a deadline later. A headline statement of £52.8m profit wouldn't have went down well with the growing 'Anti-Ashley' sentiment. It was only when the full accounts were published that the £34.1m reserve money was revealed.

I find it absolutely stunning to read criticism like this, and it reflects how unworldly and ignorant some of the fans are. With the kind of wages and outgoings Newcastle has, it is extremely good practice to have an amount of operating capital such as this. It is things like that which might help you avoid a Leeds style nosedive if Ashley ever decides to jump ship.
 
Look at the fixtures for that season please, in the first half the majority of the games against the top teams were played at home.

That means he had All the shit teams still to play at home in the second half of the season
 
Right. Tin hat on. I don't blame the skunks for being pissed off, or for doing something about it. Of course they have a sense of entitlement and go over the top about their famous number 9s, the 52000 screaming Geordies, beating Barcelona and Man Utd once twenty years ago, etc, etc, etc.

But I don't blame them for being pissed off for having money in the bank, while they spend none of it.

We've made consistently bad decisions in the last few years, and have actually been run far worse than Newcastle (shite decisions and a continuing loss rather than shite footballing decisions and a profit), but at least in our case we can hope against hope that if the owner of SAFC ever works out, after 7 years in charge, how to run a football club, then he might have some genuine ambition to get into the top half consistently. They don't even have that hope. I don't see how anybody can honestly say they wouldn't be pissed off in that position.

Of course I hope that they go down, and then go down again (or at least stay in the Championship for years).

But making out that the mismanagement up the road is somehow something they deserve, or the fault of the fans, or even something to do with that football club, is spectacularly shortsighted. It is what has happened to football, where owners with no affiliation to the clubs, the area, or the sport. And it has happened to us too, where Sunderland AFC is now owned by a Texan hedge fund billionaire whose programme notes on Saturday were bragging about the way we avoid relegation every year.

And it's shit.

They have spent money!
 
Again, utter f***ing nonsense. We were perfectly happy with Chris Hughton in the Premier League until Ashley decided to remove him. Show me the poll which says we want Carver for the job unanimously please. I've seen one and it's over 95% in favour of the opposite.

I've skimmed the rest and it is just cliché ridden drivel.

As I've stated before, Chris Hughton was not there long enough (in the premier league) for the fans to get sick of him. A few moderate seasons and the protests would have started (IMO of course).
 
So you play different teams away then?



I find it absolutely stunning to read criticism like this, and it reflects how unworldly and ignorant some of the fans are. With the kind of wages and outgoings Newcastle has, it is extremely good practice to have an amount of operating capital such as this. It is things like that which might help you avoid a Leeds style nosedive if Ashley ever decides to jump ship.

I'm not sure I get your point, are you now saying there is no difference to playing home or away?

You make it sound like wages and outgoings won't already be factored into any cashflow analysis. I'd imagine the entire length of players contracts is factored in and any incoming sponsorship deals, etc seeing as these are permanent incomings and outgoings.
 
I'm not sure I get your point, are you now saying there is no difference to playing home or away?

You make it sound like wages and outgoings won't already be factored into any cashflow analysis. I'd imagine the entire length of players contracts is factored in and any incoming sponsorship deals, etc seeing as these are permanent incomings and outgoings.

You make it sound like you don't understand how a set of accounts works. You do not have a cash flow analysis in a set of annual accounts. The accounts are produced in a standard form for the HMRC. Also, a reserve fund such as this could have come straight from Ashley's pocket. I have not seen the accounts, but it sounds like the company owes Ashley £129 million, much of which is likely to be in the form of interest free loans. If this is the case at any point he could legitimately remove that £34 million from the club and put it in his own pocket without paying a penny in tax. It is effectively his money propping up the club whichever way you look at it.
 
not sure it's wise to have publicised this sit in quite so much; means Ashley will have staff there to turf them out. Or just lock the gates and charge them rent
 
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