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Understood. (I would have thought payments to stars and producers were part of production costs). I suppose the slice that distributors and cinemas take accounts for the biggest chunk of post-production costs.Promotion costs are high, as are the payments to stars and producers, but also the top line box office figures aren't the number the film actually gets. Distributors and cinemas are taking a slice of that, especially overseas
Yeah fair comment. One thing about Bond flicks is that they will get shown and re shown and re shown on telly until doomsday, arguably with more frequency than just about any other film. Somebody must be getting a cheque somewhere every time they’re doing yet another Bond-a-thon!Multiple tiers. Cinema, streaming, cable, satellite, Blu ray and finally TV. Take the 'losses' with a pinch of salt they get their money back over the years, even with the poor films.
So aside from that, how did you like it?****Swearing alert****
Saw the film last night, haven’t read the thread but review is this….
Whoever wrote that utter shite can go and fuck right off and then fuck off again. The organisation that’s been about for years, gone. Arch nemesis, gone. Felix, gone….and f***ing James Bond. Who in the right mind would end the franchise?????? What a shower of utter bastards.
the point of James Bond is that he ALWAYS wins, he ALWAYS gets the girl. Which sick fuck decided to say that he couldn’t touch his lass or bairn or they’d die????? Warped as fuck fuckers.
As for this 007 nonsense, she was shite, just shite. If that’s the future they are planning for they deserve to have it go down the pan into oblivion.
So, to sum up, they can fuck right off
Oh, one positive, the Aston was the star of the show, says everything.
Understood. (I would have thought payments to stars and producers were part of production costs). I suppose the slice that distributors and cinemas take accounts for the biggest chunk of post-production costs.
Still it seems that some films like Miami Vice that made thirty million above production cost were considered a financial success and yet NTTD has to make massively more than that margin even accepting the promotion was a lot more. (I think MV coined a lot in video rentals and DVD sales after the cinema run).
Yeah fair comment. One thing about Bond flicks is that they will get shown and re shown and re shown on telly until doomsday, arguably with more frequency than just about any other film. Somebody must be getting a cheque somewhere every time they’re doing yet another Bond-a-thon!
So aside from that, how did you like it?
Most of it was canny, after skyfall and spectre it would have been the perfect ending if they hadn’t killed him. I’ve taken it badly.Understood. (I would have thought payments to stars and producers were part of production costs). I suppose the slice that distributors and cinemas take accounts for the biggest chunk of post-production costs.
Still it seems that some films like Miami Vice that made thirty million above production cost were considered a financial success and yet NTTD has to make massively more than that margin even accepting the promotion was a lot more. (I think MV coined a lot in video rentals and DVD sales after the cinema run).
Yeah fair comment. One thing about Bond flicks is that they will get shown and re shown and re shown on telly until doomsday, arguably with more frequency than just about any other film. Somebody must be getting a cheque somewhere every time they’re doing yet another Bond-a-thon!
So aside from that, how did you like it?
That miami vice film is Mann’s underrated masterpiece. Bollcoks to box office takings. I love the indecipherable dialogue and every other baffling plot point throughout.
That link suggests a $30m loss from its theatrical run. It doesn't take into account marketing costs mind, and it's all smoke and mirrors anyway. As Arnie said about the $2bn Titanic made at the box office "not even Hollywood accountants can hide those profits."
And as @Dogbark said most films eventually make their money back after streaming, DVD sales and ITV4 showing them about 8 million times
I have a love hate relationship with it!That miami vice film is Mann’s underrated masterpiece. Bollcoks to box office takings. I love the indecipherable dialogue and every other baffling plot point throughout.
The trip to Havana always cracks me up, I listen to a podcast where they worked out it would take about 4 hours at best. But the lass is just like “I know a place, do you like mojitos?” I’ve got nee change of clothes and we just met but aye hawayI have a love hate relationship with it!
Aspects of it like the ‘look’ of it all, the colours, Foxx’s Boateng suits etc are great.
Plot is OK to a point.
Some characters are good.
Final shootout is abysmal - can’t even tell who’s who as it’s all too dark. This from the Mann who shot the shoot out scene in ‘Heat’ which is one of the best ever.
Gong Lee horribly miscast. Why not get a Hispanic actress so we aren’t left with a crap explanation of how a Chinese bewer has connections at the port in Havana? Always looks miserable. Face like a smacked arse!
Risible cliche-ridden dialogue, examples -
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time
Why do I get the feeling that everyone knows what we’re here for from fifty blocks out?
Cos everyone knows what we’re here for from blocks out!
I will bust a cap in yo ass (from Moneypenny!)
Gina doing a rip off the “do you feel lucky, punk?” bit from Dirty Harry.
Why does it take all six of them to go and see Marcus and persuade him to help with entree to Mister Big drug dealer? There were six detectives in the TV show which over five years or so gives them all something to do. There isn’t enough to do for all six in a two hour film. This just smacks of wedging them in for the hell of it.
We’re supposed to believe Crockett and Tubbs will take a bullet for each other when they don’t even appear to like each other.
And then we get gems like when Crocket takes Gong Lee to Havana on his cigarette boat and there’s a helicopter-eye view of the boat on the open blue ocean. Perfect!
Don’t hold back****Swearing alert****
Saw the film last night, haven’t read the thread but review is this….
Whoever wrote that utter shite can go and fuck right off and then fuck off again. The organisation that’s been about for years, gone. Arch nemesis, gone. Felix, gone….and f***ing James Bond. Who in the right mind would end the franchise?????? What a shower of utter bastards.
the point of James Bond is that he ALWAYS wins, he ALWAYS gets the girl. Which sick fuck decided to say that he couldn’t touch his lass or bairn or they’d die????? Warped as fuck fuckers.
As for this 007 nonsense, she was shite, just shite. If that’s the future they are planning for they deserve to have it go down the pan into oblivion.
So, to sum up, they can fuck right off
Oh, one positive, the Aston was the star of the show, says everything.
I have a love hate relationship with it!
Aspects of it like the ‘look’ of it all, the colours, Foxx’s Boateng suits etc are great.
Plot is OK to a point.
Some characters are good.
Final shootout is abysmal - can’t even tell who’s who as it’s all too dark. This from the Mann who shot the shoot out scene in ‘Heat’ which is one of the best ever.
Gong Lee horribly miscast. Why not get a Hispanic actress so we aren’t left with a crap explanation of how a Chinese bewer has connections at the port in Havana? Always looks miserable. Face like a smacked arse!
Risible cliche-ridden dialogue, examples -
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time
Why do I get the feeling that everyone knows what we’re here for from fifty blocks out?
Cos everyone knows what we’re here for from blocks out!
I will bust a cap in yo ass (from Moneypenny!)
Gina doing a rip off the “do you feel lucky, punk?” bit from Dirty Harry.
Why does it take all six of them to go and see Marcus and persuade him to help with entree to Mister Big drug dealer? There were six detectives in the TV show which over five years or so gives them all something to do. There isn’t enough to do for all six in a two hour film. This just smacks of wedging them in for the hell of it.
We’re supposed to believe Crockett and Tubbs will take a bullet for each other when they don’t even appear to like each other.
And then we get gems like when Crocket takes Gong Lee to Havana on his cigarette boat and there’s a helicopter-eye view of the boat on the open blue ocean. Perfect!
Excellent point which had occurred to me too.The trip to Havana always cracks me up, I listen to a podcast where they worked out it would take about 4 hours at best. But the lass is just like “I know a place, do you like mojitos?” I’ve got nee change of clothes and we just met but aye haway
Haha spot on. So many things about it are good … and so many are rubbish!I think like me you've watched that film a few times hoping it would be better this time...
Went to see this last night. Really nice getting out for a meal and a film again.
Canny action film, but quite early on I had to conciously decide that none of it was going to make any sense and just to go with the flow. Spectre was absolute bollocks too and thinking about it too much kinda ruined it.
That lass in Cuba. Wowsers, that's a good looking lass. Even that section was full of bollocks though, it was throughout the whole film.
Oh, 2hours 45minutes? Bloody hell.
Next Bond - early life and training as a double-0 maybe? Can't just hop into another standard Bond story, surely?
Fair comments there cockers but I just can’t get behind the return of Nomi. Not in the least attractive to me and didn’t really contribute a lot to the plot / fillum other than ushering in the ‘controversy’ of a new black bewer 007.My pet theory is they'll find a new recruit, younger bloke, SBS or whatever, to become a new 00 agent. He can't use his own name because in this modern era he's got an Instagram and a Facebook account that reveals where he's from and who his family are. So he needs to adopt a new identity. They give him James Bond 007 (perhaps it suits them to use that name again for some reason). It causes a bit of tension with the old crew - Moneypenny, Q, Noomi - because they remember the old Bond and he feels like he's always being compared to him (nod to the audience doing the same).
Or they just reboot with a new agent called James Bond starting out as a Double O agent, as if the previous films never happened, like they did with Casino Royale.
Oh, and you'll probably want to watch Blade Runner 2049, Knock Knock and Hands of Fate at some point
Its wierd being a 12A. They're PG13 or whatever its called in the states. They realised a while back that it loses them a fortune if they can't get that rating.Some good action but an awful lot of padding in between.
Have the Bond films always been 12's? The bloodless shootings and fisticuffs made it seem like a kids film
Overthinking Bond is for Warhammer fans
Thought it ticked all the boxes and tied everything up nicely
Cars,gadgets,fights,sassy sexy ladies,few bad guys ,fab locations ,whisky and sharp suits and Whitehall
I find non of the franchise age that well ,they were above average for a young lad back in the day but cheesy to watch back
All the craig ones i can watch again . Don't think i'll even turn out for the new Bond