SPOILER-tastic No Time To Die Discussion Thread



Tomahawk Missle to the face…

We didn’t see it though, could have got behind some concrete, the explosion knocked everything into the ocean, a badly injured Bond swims for several days in the sea until picked up by a ship. They create a vaccine which means he can see his family without killing them. You could even add in a plastic surgery angle (explosion) for the new actor.
 

DieselBert

Full Back
Good film. Lea seydoux is just about the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. I'd like to see Lashana Lynch in her own film as 007
 

DieselBert

Full Back
We didn’t see it though, could have got behind some concrete, the explosion knocked everything into the ocean, a badly injured Bond swims for several days in the sea until picked up by a ship. They create a vaccine which means he can see his family without killing them. You could even add in a plastic surgery angle (explosion) for the new actor.
Bourne started with 3 bullet holes in his back bobbing up and down in the Med. Who knows?
 
I have a love hate relationship with it!
Aspects of it like the ‘look’ of it all, the colours, Foxx’s Boateng suits etc are great.
Plot is OK to a point.
Some characters are good.
Final shootout is abysmal - can’t even tell who’s who as it’s all too dark. This from the Mann who shot the shoot out scene in ‘Heat’ which is one of the best ever.
Gong Lee horribly miscast. Why not get a Hispanic actress so we aren’t left with a crap explanation of how a Chinese bewer has connections at the port in Havana? Always looks miserable. Face like a smacked arse!
Risible cliche-ridden dialogue, examples -
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time
Why do I get the feeling that everyone knows what we’re here for from fifty blocks out?
Cos everyone knows what we’re here for from blocks out!
I will bust a cap in yo ass (from Moneypenny!)
Gina doing a rip off the “do you feel lucky, punk?” bit from Dirty Harry.

Why does it take all six of them to go and see Marcus and persuade him to help with entree to Mister Big drug dealer? There were six detectives in the TV show which over five years or so gives them all something to do. There isn’t enough to do for all six in a two hour film. This just smacks of wedging them in for the hell of it.

We’re supposed to believe Crockett and Tubbs will take a bullet for each other when they don’t even appear to like each other.

And then we get gems like when Crocket takes Gong Lee to Havana on his cigarette boat and there’s a helicopter-eye view of the boat on the open blue ocean. Perfect!

Tex, I'm doing Miami Vice on the podcast this month and started thinking about what would have happened with slightly different casting choices. Replacing Gong Li with a hispanic actress is an open goal, anyone from Salma Hayek to Penelope Cruz to Eva Mendes could have done it. But how about Matthew McConaughey as Crockett? Someone who could channel a bit of that Don Johnson charm and wit into the otherwise troubled and tortured form of wor Sonny?
 

Tex

Striker
Interesting stuff Cockers.
I used to seriously dislike MM, especially during his extended chick flick phase, but I can’t deny he was good in The Lincoln Lawyer and excellent in True Detective. I really liked The Gentlemen too but can’t help feeling he was the token yank to wedged in to expand the audience from being mostly Brit. Layer Cake is one of my favourite fillums but didn’t do so well as there was no American interest.
I suppose he has that sorta twinkle in the eye that Don Johnson had, and was sadly lacking in Farell’s dour and miserable performance.
 

UZZA_SPARTA

Midfield
Think they’ll reboot with a much, much younger Bond and go for a longer run of fillums.

isn't that what they initially went for when they cast Daniel Craig in CR? ;)

NTTD should have been released 2 years ago but covid brought delays. The fact is that any actors in the frame several years ago to replace Craig are now already redundant and IMO it will be an actor born 1980 onwards... so forget Hardy, Cavell, Elba, etc, etc.
They will probably go for somebody in a couple of years time who is an established actor (so no Lazenby type) but who has not become a star or famous yet as you can't select somebody who could be a bigger name than James Bond. I say James Bond because it will be a male!

As for NTTD thought it was a good but not great finale or final chapter to the Daniel Craig period as Bond... my main gripe with the storyline was the character development of both Blofeld and Spectre that was brought in from the previous Craig films - that was the constant weak link IMO (Blofeld was worst portrayal ever of that villain in an official Bond film, while Spectre had become a bit of a joke organisation)... each Craig Bond film villain would have been more impressive/threatening without any Spectre/Blofeld connection surely?... or maybe Austin Powers had ruined any potential Blofeld threats with its parody? :lol:

I liked the nods to OHMSS (both music score, end title song, and part of the script)... the poison garden storyline from You Only Live Twice (the original book version) that was never used in the film version with Connery back in the late 60's... and on the Connery front there were bits that reminded me of non-Bond films with Connery (The Rock?), and the way they have changed characters of both Q and Moneypenny for a modern day world/setting
Out of all the Craig films as Bond I still think Casino Royale was the best offering... NTTD wasn't his worst, probably 3rd best out of the 5 he made.
As for use of music from OHMSS I presume that John Barry's estate will receive royalties in same way he received them after Robbie Williams ripped off his score from YOLT for his hit Millennium? ;)
 

Pantomime Mackem

Central Defender
Not having it. Bond has sex with a lady in a Union Jack dinghy when the island blows up. That’s how a Bond film should end.
Oh and the giant acid pool was a nod to … Moonraker? Special set built at Pinewood for it? Probably used it here?
 
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