SPOILER-tastic No Time To Die Discussion Thread



Tex

Striker
Promotion costs are high, as are the payments to stars and producers, but also the top line box office figures aren't the number the film actually gets. Distributors and cinemas are taking a slice of that, especially overseas
Understood. (I would have thought payments to stars and producers were part of production costs). I suppose the slice that distributors and cinemas take accounts for the biggest chunk of post-production costs.
Still it seems that some films like Miami Vice that made thirty million above production cost were considered a financial success and yet NTTD has to make massively more than that margin even accepting the promotion was a lot more. (I think MV coined a lot in video rentals and DVD sales after the cinema run).
Multiple tiers. Cinema, streaming, cable, satellite, Blu ray and finally TV. Take the 'losses' with a pinch of salt they get their money back over the years, even with the poor films.
Yeah fair comment. One thing about Bond flicks is that they will get shown and re shown and re shown on telly until doomsday, arguably with more frequency than just about any other film. Somebody must be getting a cheque somewhere every time they’re doing yet another Bond-a-thon!
****Swearing alert****

Saw the film last night, haven’t read the thread but review is this….
Whoever wrote that utter shite can go and fuck right off and then fuck off again. The organisation that’s been about for years, gone. Arch nemesis, gone. Felix, gone….and f***ing James Bond. Who in the right mind would end the franchise?????? What a shower of utter bastards.
the point of James Bond is that he ALWAYS wins, he ALWAYS gets the girl. Which sick fuck decided to say that he couldn’t touch his lass or bairn or they’d die????? Warped as fuck fuckers.
As for this 007 nonsense, she was shite, just shite. If that’s the future they are planning for they deserve to have it go down the pan into oblivion.
So, to sum up, they can fuck right off
Oh, one positive, the Aston was the star of the show, says everything.
So aside from that, how did you like it?
 
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Understood. (I would have thought payments to stars and producers were part of production costs). I suppose the slice that distributors and cinemas take accounts for the biggest chunk of post-production costs.
Still it seems that some films like Miami Vice that made thirty million above production cost were considered a financial success and yet NTTD has to make massively more than that margin even accepting the promotion was a lot more. (I think MV coined a lot in video rentals and DVD sales after the cinema run).

Yeah fair comment. One thing about Bond flicks is that they will get shown and re shown and re shown on telly until doomsday, arguably with more frequency than just about any other film. Somebody must be getting a cheque somewhere every time they’re doing yet another Bond-a-thon!

So aside from that, how did you like it?


That link suggests a $30m loss from its theatrical run. It doesn't take into account marketing costs mind, and it's all smoke and mirrors anyway. As Arnie said about the $2bn Titanic made at the box office "not even Hollywood accountants can hide those profits."

And as @Dogbark said most films eventually make their money back after streaming, DVD sales and ITV4 showing them about 8 million times
 

Cow

Midfield
Understood. (I would have thought payments to stars and producers were part of production costs). I suppose the slice that distributors and cinemas take accounts for the biggest chunk of post-production costs.
Still it seems that some films like Miami Vice that made thirty million above production cost were considered a financial success and yet NTTD has to make massively more than that margin even accepting the promotion was a lot more. (I think MV coined a lot in video rentals and DVD sales after the cinema run).

Yeah fair comment. One thing about Bond flicks is that they will get shown and re shown and re shown on telly until doomsday, arguably with more frequency than just about any other film. Somebody must be getting a cheque somewhere every time they’re doing yet another Bond-a-thon!

So aside from that, how did you like it?
Most of it was canny, after skyfall and spectre it would have been the perfect ending if they hadn’t killed him. I’ve taken it badly.
 

Drexl

Central Defender

That link suggests a $30m loss from its theatrical run. It doesn't take into account marketing costs mind, and it's all smoke and mirrors anyway. As Arnie said about the $2bn Titanic made at the box office "not even Hollywood accountants can hide those profits."

And as @Dogbark said most films eventually make their money back after streaming, DVD sales and ITV4 showing them about 8 million times
That miami vice film is Mann’s underrated masterpiece. Bollcoks to box office takings. I love the indecipherable dialogue and every other baffling plot point throughout.
 

Tex

Striker
That miami vice film is Mann’s underrated masterpiece. Bollcoks to box office takings. I love the indecipherable dialogue and every other baffling plot point throughout.
I have a love hate relationship with it!
Aspects of it like the ‘look’ of it all, the colours, Foxx’s Boateng suits etc are great.
Plot is OK to a point.
Some characters are good.
Final shootout is abysmal - can’t even tell who’s who as it’s all too dark. This from the Mann who shot the shoot out scene in ‘Heat’ which is one of the best ever.
Gong Lee horribly miscast. Why not get a Hispanic actress so we aren’t left with a crap explanation of how a Chinese bewer has connections at the port in Havana? Always looks miserable. Face like a smacked arse!
Risible cliche-ridden dialogue, examples -
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time
Why do I get the feeling that everyone knows what we’re here for from fifty blocks out?
Cos everyone knows what we’re here for from blocks out!
I will bust a cap in yo ass (from Moneypenny!)
Gina doing a rip off the “do you feel lucky, punk?” bit from Dirty Harry.

Why does it take all six of them to go and see Marcus and persuade him to help with entree to Mister Big drug dealer? There were six detectives in the TV show which over five years or so gives them all something to do. There isn’t enough to do for all six in a two hour film. This just smacks of wedging them in for the hell of it.

We’re supposed to believe Crockett and Tubbs will take a bullet for each other when they don’t even appear to like each other.

And then we get gems like when Crocket takes Gong Lee to Havana on his cigarette boat and there’s a helicopter-eye view of the boat on the open blue ocean. Perfect!
 

Drexl

Central Defender
I have a love hate relationship with it!
Aspects of it like the ‘look’ of it all, the colours, Foxx’s Boateng suits etc are great.
Plot is OK to a point.
Some characters are good.
Final shootout is abysmal - can’t even tell who’s who as it’s all too dark. This from the Mann who shot the shoot out scene in ‘Heat’ which is one of the best ever.
Gong Lee horribly miscast. Why not get a Hispanic actress so we aren’t left with a crap explanation of how a Chinese bewer has connections at the port in Havana? Always looks miserable. Face like a smacked arse!
Risible cliche-ridden dialogue, examples -
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time
Why do I get the feeling that everyone knows what we’re here for from fifty blocks out?
Cos everyone knows what we’re here for from blocks out!
I will bust a cap in yo ass (from Moneypenny!)
Gina doing a rip off the “do you feel lucky, punk?” bit from Dirty Harry.

Why does it take all six of them to go and see Marcus and persuade him to help with entree to Mister Big drug dealer? There were six detectives in the TV show which over five years or so gives them all something to do. There isn’t enough to do for all six in a two hour film. This just smacks of wedging them in for the hell of it.

We’re supposed to believe Crockett and Tubbs will take a bullet for each other when they don’t even appear to like each other.

And then we get gems like when Crocket takes Gong Lee to Havana on his cigarette boat and there’s a helicopter-eye view of the boat on the open blue ocean. Perfect!
The trip to Havana always cracks me up, I listen to a podcast where they worked out it would take about 4 hours at best. But the lass is just like “I know a place, do you like mojitos?” I’ve got nee change of clothes and we just met but aye haway :lol:
 
****Swearing alert****

Saw the film last night, haven’t read the thread but review is this….
Whoever wrote that utter shite can go and fuck right off and then fuck off again. The organisation that’s been about for years, gone. Arch nemesis, gone. Felix, gone….and f***ing James Bond. Who in the right mind would end the franchise?????? What a shower of utter bastards.
the point of James Bond is that he ALWAYS wins, he ALWAYS gets the girl. Which sick fuck decided to say that he couldn’t touch his lass or bairn or they’d die????? Warped as fuck fuckers.
As for this 007 nonsense, she was shite, just shite. If that’s the future they are planning for they deserve to have it go down the pan into oblivion.
So, to sum up, they can fuck right off
Oh, one positive, the Aston was the star of the show, says everything.
Don’t hold back 😂
 
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I have a love hate relationship with it!
Aspects of it like the ‘look’ of it all, the colours, Foxx’s Boateng suits etc are great.
Plot is OK to a point.
Some characters are good.
Final shootout is abysmal - can’t even tell who’s who as it’s all too dark. This from the Mann who shot the shoot out scene in ‘Heat’ which is one of the best ever.
Gong Lee horribly miscast. Why not get a Hispanic actress so we aren’t left with a crap explanation of how a Chinese bewer has connections at the port in Havana? Always looks miserable. Face like a smacked arse!
Risible cliche-ridden dialogue, examples -
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time
Why do I get the feeling that everyone knows what we’re here for from fifty blocks out?
Cos everyone knows what we’re here for from blocks out!
I will bust a cap in yo ass (from Moneypenny!)
Gina doing a rip off the “do you feel lucky, punk?” bit from Dirty Harry.

Why does it take all six of them to go and see Marcus and persuade him to help with entree to Mister Big drug dealer? There were six detectives in the TV show which over five years or so gives them all something to do. There isn’t enough to do for all six in a two hour film. This just smacks of wedging them in for the hell of it.

We’re supposed to believe Crockett and Tubbs will take a bullet for each other when they don’t even appear to like each other.

And then we get gems like when Crocket takes Gong Lee to Havana on his cigarette boat and there’s a helicopter-eye view of the boat on the open blue ocean. Perfect!

I think like me you've watched that film a few times hoping it would be better this time...
 

Tex

Striker
The trip to Havana always cracks me up, I listen to a podcast where they worked out it would take about 4 hours at best. But the lass is just like “I know a place, do you like mojitos?” I’ve got nee change of clothes and we just met but aye haway :lol:
Excellent point which had occurred to me too.
She must keep a stash of clothes there as she changes into a dress for the nightclub scene whereas Crockett spends the entire escapade in the same sweaty, salty linen shirt and suit! 😀
I think like me you've watched that film a few times hoping it would be better this time...
Haha spot on. So many things about it are good … and so many are rubbish!
 

PTR

Striker
Went to see this last night. Really nice getting out for a meal and a film again.

Canny action film, but quite early on I had to conciously decide that none of it was going to make any sense and just to go with the flow. Spectre was absolute bollocks too and thinking about it too much kinda ruined it.

That lass in Cuba. Wowsers, that's a good looking lass. Even that section was full of bollocks though, it was throughout the whole film.

Oh, 2hours 45minutes? Bloody hell.


Next Bond - early life and training as a double-0 maybe? Can't just hop into another standard Bond story, surely?
 
Went to see this last night. Really nice getting out for a meal and a film again.

Canny action film, but quite early on I had to conciously decide that none of it was going to make any sense and just to go with the flow. Spectre was absolute bollocks too and thinking about it too much kinda ruined it.

That lass in Cuba. Wowsers, that's a good looking lass. Even that section was full of bollocks though, it was throughout the whole film.

Oh, 2hours 45minutes? Bloody hell.


Next Bond - early life and training as a double-0 maybe? Can't just hop into another standard Bond story, surely?

My pet theory is they'll find a new recruit, younger bloke, SBS or whatever, to become a new 00 agent. He can't use his own name because in this modern era he's got an Instagram and a Facebook account that reveals where he's from and who his family are. So he needs to adopt a new identity. They give him James Bond 007 (perhaps it suits them to use that name again for some reason). It causes a bit of tension with the old crew - Moneypenny, Q, Noomi - because they remember the old Bond and he feels like he's always being compared to him (nod to the audience doing the same).

Or they just reboot with a new agent called James Bond starting out as a Double O agent, as if the previous films never happened, like they did with Casino Royale.

Oh, and you'll probably want to watch Blade Runner 2049, Knock Knock and Hands of Fate at some point
 
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PTR

Striker
Probably wrong, but I don't remember hearing the traditional bond theme played during the film.
I'm sure it was. It always is.
 

Tex

Striker
My pet theory is they'll find a new recruit, younger bloke, SBS or whatever, to become a new 00 agent. He can't use his own name because in this modern era he's got an Instagram and a Facebook account that reveals where he's from and who his family are. So he needs to adopt a new identity. They give him James Bond 007 (perhaps it suits them to use that name again for some reason). It causes a bit of tension with the old crew - Moneypenny, Q, Noomi - because they remember the old Bond and he feels like he's always being compared to him (nod to the audience doing the same).

Or they just reboot with a new agent called James Bond starting out as a Double O agent, as if the previous films never happened, like they did with Casino Royale.

Oh, and you'll probably want to watch Blade Runner 2049, Knock Knock and Hands of Fate at some point
Fair comments there cockers but I just can’t get behind the return of Nomi. Not in the least attractive to me and didn’t really contribute a lot to the plot / fillum other than ushering in the ‘controversy’ of a new black bewer 007.

It’s a bit like what I remember of that fillum “The Commitments” - once they assembled the band and got them all playing well together there was nowhere else to go but bugger it all up and disband. Same here - we finally get a new M, Q, Moneypenny in place, the return of Felix with something useful for him to do … then break it all up and leave us wondering where it will go next.

Also would be curious to know exactly how much Phoebe watserface contributed. They said she was brought in to “punch up” the female dialogue and by Hollywood rules she did enough to get a co-screen writing credit. What did she do?
 
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jcrossan

Striker
Far too long. but that goes for most films these days.

Directors seem to think if it doesnt run at least two and a half hours then it isnt serious.

.Casablanca was an hour 40..Goldfinger an hour 50. Both infinitely better than this.

Daniel Craig was a good Bond, mind.
 

NottsSAFC

Goalkeeper
Some good action but an awful lot of padding in between.

Have the Bond films always been 12's? The bloodless shootings and fisticuffs made it seem like a kids film
 
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PTR

Striker
Some good action but an awful lot of padding in between.

Have the Bond films always been 12's? The bloodless shootings and fisticuffs made it seem like a kids film
Its wierd being a 12A. They're PG13 or whatever its called in the states. They realised a while back that it loses them a fortune if they can't get that rating.
For a film series largely about killing people, I just don't see any need for an under 12 to be there. Who thinks blood is the problem? The mechanics aren't the issue, its the morality of actually killing people ffs.
 
Overthinking Bond is for Warhammer fans
Thought it ticked all the boxes and tied everything up nicely
Cars,gadgets,fights,sassy sexy ladies,few bad guys ,fab locations ,whisky and sharp suits and Whitehall

I find non of the franchise age that well ,they were above average for a young lad back in the day but cheesy to watch back
All the craig ones i can watch again . Don't think i'll even turn out for the new Bond

yeah i agree with most of that….the only thing that didnt work for me was the black female 007…..im not anti women nor racist but if thats the direction they are going with Bond then count me out……she was weak imo
 

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