SPOILER-tastic No Time To Die Discussion Thread



Bukowski

Winger
Favourite bond of the Craig era for me. Run time was off putting but it flew over barring one or two clunky scenes - particularly the raising a glass tribute. And Ana de Armas’ character was a bit… shit? Load of hype about her before hand

I thought Lea Seydoux was brilliant mind. And worra dish.
 

PJH

Striker
It had enjoyable action pieces.

Story was just a bit meh and the villain was a real waste. Guy hates Spectre and wants revenge. Gets it. But also wants to tidy up the world somehow by killing an unknown number of people. Could be just wanting to kill all politicians and spys and whatnot rather than general populace, but doesn't seem to matter. And Blofeld dies off screen in about a second.

And the Bionic Eye guy is a bit confusing. Towards the end when he's working for Malik, it makes it sound like he joined them after Spectre was destroyed. But since the scientist changed the virus to target Spectre and not Bond, why didn't the Bionic Eye guy die? Or was he somehow not in a list of Spectre agents DNA files despite working for them for at least 5 years?
 

Tex

Striker
It had enjoyable action pieces.

Story was just a bit meh and the villain was a real waste. Guy hates Spectre and wants revenge. Gets it. But also wants to tidy up the world somehow by killing an unknown number of people. Could be just wanting to kill all politicians and spys and whatnot rather than general populace, but doesn't seem to matter. And Blofeld dies off screen in about a second.

And the Bionic Eye guy is a bit confusing. Towards the end when he's working for Malik, it makes it sound like he joined them after Spectre was destroyed. But since the scientist changed the virus to target Spectre and not Bond, why didn't the Bionic Eye guy die? Or was he somehow not in a list of Spectre agents DNA files despite working for them for at least 5 years?
Some of these objections have been mentioned upthread but I think they’re legit. Since Craig took over and we were presented with an allegedly more realistic Bond (within reason of course we know it’s all a fantasy) it kinda bothers me that they put together great action scenes, some decent story and characterisations etc but often leave more plot holes than a Swiss cheese. You have to play fair with the audience and they should pay someone to read the final shooting script and highlight all the areas where logic makes no sense (like bionic eye man) or they’ve taken our suspension of disbelief for granted, and make the changes necessary to fill the holes. If the money rolls in they might not be arsed about such things but if they truly do want to reach that adult action spy thriller audience as mentioned above this is where there’s room for improvement.
 

JonJon

Central Defender
Favourite bond of the Craig era for me. Run time was off putting but it flew over barring one or two clunky scenes - particularly the raising a glass tribute. And Ana de Armas’ character was a bit… shit? Load of hype about her before hand

I thought Lea Seydoux was brilliant mind. And worra dish.
She was a bit cardboard cutout. No fault of the actress herself it just felt as though they wanted to chuck in some sort of cheesy, sexy old school type bond girl for a few minutes of titillation before moving swiftly on.

Shame since she is genuinely a very talented actress. I'd say her and Rami Mallick were both under utilised as far as their full potential of what they could bring to their respective roles.

Personaly I would stick No Time to Die in the middle if ranking the Craig Bond era, with Casino Royale and Skyfall above and Quantum of Solace below and Spectre a ways below that.
 

LewisLad

Midfield
Thought it was brilliant but I love all of the films anyway. Few WTF moments - what the hell are nano bots? I read somewhere apparently they changed some of those scenes because a deadly virus that infected the whole world was a bit too close to the bone given COVID. Not sure if there's any truth in it but that bit didn't feel very well thought out.

Also as others have said, very little character development for Malek. Why did he went to kill the whole world? Why was he so obsessed with Madeline? Opportunity missed as he could've been a great villain and the island etc. was brilliant.

The CIA agent in Cuba had a great cameo. She was sensational.
Here we go again.
I blame Roger Moore.
The series never set out to be humourous in any way and the books certainly weren’t. The films moved away from the books around Diamonds Are Forever (YOLT was nowt like the book but a decent entry, OHMSS was very close to the book) and completely lost their way from say Moonraker until they finally got rid of Moore and Dalton began a long slow reset. For some time now they’ve been aiming at the adult action-espionage genre. Does anyone come away from a Jason Bourne fillum complaining that it wasn’t funny?

I see where you're coming from but Phoebe Waller-Bridge being brought in to help write this script suggested they wanted to include a bit of humour as a nod towards some of the older bonds in Craig's last film.

The bit when Q opens the drawer with tea set in during a really tense part of the film was a great piece of writing for me and I laughed out loud at it.

Agree though 'not funny enough' is a strange one as I know who goes to see James Bond expecting a laugh a minute. A few smiles perhaps.
 
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tunstallhill

Striker
3/10 for me like. too long for a start

storyline - didn't really go anywhere, too predictable, not a single twist or good bit of writing

dialogue - poor, nowt snappy, no good scenes of conversation between actors, seemed like they'd wrote a very basic first draft to give the story some structure, then just forgot to add anything to it

performances - daniel craig is an absolutely woeful actor in this film. if that was the first ever bond film or the first ever time you'd seen him, he'd be laughed out of the audition. fiennes and waltz in their small parts show how its done. malik looks like a real top actor, but the writers abandoned his character. the wifey 007 was like something out of a kids action film

also, when bond gets covered in the virus in Cuba, it was programmed to attack all of Spectre. so when he went in the room with Blofeld surely they all were totally expecting contact with Bond would instantly kill Blofeld. or am i missing something?

the action was woeful anarl. the cyclops character wasn't intimidating at all, and his death was boring, and maliks death scene was totally crap.

overall, crap
 

Tex

Striker
Busiest I’ve seen the cinema in years. Packed out last night.
Six people in when I went last Saturday and it had only opened at midnight on Thursday.
I’m often curious about film finances. On wiki (if you believe wiki) it says the budget was $250-300 million but it will have to make $800 million to be profitable. That’s some gamble and how did they spend half a billion dollars - twice the cost of the production - on promotion etc. ??
There’s a term called ‘Hollywood Accounting’ which I believe refers to the skulduggery around film budgets and profit and loss. IIRC Forest Gump, one of the most-viewed fillums of all time, allegedly didn’t make a profit so that way they don’t have to pay the fella who wrote the book his percentage points of the action.
 
Six people in when I went last Saturday and it had only opened at midnight on Thursday.
I’m often curious about film finances. On wiki (if you believe wiki) it says the budget was $250-300 million but it will have to make $800 million to be profitable. That’s some gamble and how did they spend half a billion dollars - twice the cost of the production - on promotion etc. ??
There’s a term called ‘Hollywood Accounting’ which I believe refers to the skulduggery around film budgets and profit and loss. IIRC Forest Gump, one of the most-viewed fillums of all time, allegedly didn’t make a profit so that way they don’t have to pay the fella who wrote the book his percentage points of the action.

Promotion costs are high, as are the payments to stars and producers, but also the top line box office figures aren't the number the film actually gets. Distributors and cinemas are taking a slice of that, especially overseas
 

sonson

Striker
Thought it was pretty good although rather convoluted, loved the use of All the time in the world at the end.
Had me tearing up, I'm not really sure why. Just a nice piece of music I've not heard in a while I suppose.

Good film, enjoyed it. Baddie was shite though, like one of the worst in any film I've seen for a long time

Daniel Craig has done a very good job of giving life to a 20th century character who probably dosen't deserve to have the cultural position he does at this point
 

Cow

Midfield
****Swearing alert****

Saw the film last night, haven’t read the thread but review is this….
Whoever wrote that utter shite can go and fuck right off and then fuck off again. The organisation that’s been about for years, gone. Arch nemesis, gone. Felix, gone….and f***ing James Bond. Who in the right mind would end the franchise?????? What a shower of utter bastards.
the point of James Bond is that he ALWAYS wins, he ALWAYS gets the girl. Which sick fuck decided to say that he couldn’t touch his lass or bairn or they’d die????? Warped as fuck fuckers.
As for this 007 nonsense, she was shite, just shite. If that’s the future they are planning for they deserve to have it go down the pan into oblivion.
So, to sum up, they can fuck right off
Oh, one positive, the Aston was the star of the show, says everything.
 

Dogbark

Striker
Six people in when I went last Saturday and it had only opened at midnight on Thursday.
I’m often curious about film finances. On wiki (if you believe wiki) it says the budget was $250-300 million but it will have to make $800 million to be profitable. That’s some gamble and how did they spend half a billion dollars - twice the cost of the production - on promotion etc. ??
There’s a term called ‘Hollywood Accounting’ which I believe refers to the skulduggery around film budgets and profit and loss. IIRC Forest Gump, one of the most-viewed fillums of all time, allegedly didn’t make a profit so that way they don’t have to pay the fella who wrote the book his percentage points of the action.
Multiple tiers. Cinema, streaming, cable, satellite, Blu ray and finally TV. Take the 'losses' with a pinch of salt they get their money back over the years, even with the poor films.
 

sonson

Striker
****Swearing alert****

Saw the film last night, haven’t read the thread but review is this….
Whoever wrote that utter shite can go and fuck right off and then fuck off again. The organisation that’s been about for years, gone. Arch nemesis, gone. Felix, gone….and f***ing James Bond. Who in the right mind would end the franchise?????? What a shower of utter bastards.
the point of James Bond is that he ALWAYS wins, he ALWAYS gets the girl. Which sick fuck decided to say that he couldn’t touch his lass or bairn or they’d die????? Warped as fuck fuckers.
As for this 007 nonsense, she was shite, just shite. If that’s the future they are planning for they deserve to have it go down the pan into oblivion.
So, to sum up, they can fuck right off
Oh, one positive, the Aston was the star of the show, says everything.
:lol:
 
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