Speakman and strikers


The problem will be the budget he's given we don't have the money for an established Championship striker and so he's having to try and find young strikers from abroad for cheap and there'll be very little that'll be potentially good enough, the ones that are are seemingly also wanted by other clubs which means we'll have to spend more money on them which we seemingly don't have.

It's not as simple as it's been made out to be.

It is pretty simple though really.

We knew we needed strikers ready to play in this league and have needed them for more than one transfer window.

Surely the priority, given our limited budget, would be to sort that issue first and then if there’s money left in the kitty add a few more foreign kids.
 
Ross Stewart:

Scenario 1 Someone comes in for him in Aug with a low bid, we accept it and he has gone.

Scenario 2 He returns from injury in Sept hopefully plays the remainder of the season, but he refuses to sign the contract bring offered and leaves the club on a free at the end of the season.

Scenario 3 We pay for me the best CF in the Division the difference in what he wants to what the club have offered. He is now under contract, he scores goals, if he leaves in the Summer any club wanting him will have to pay a significant fee for him, or we keep him.

In summary not giving him a new contract will mean we will lose him for nothing. Stewart is a class act get him fit motivated and we might get in the play offs.
Scenario 4 - we give him a fat new contract now, he breaks down again and misses most of the season/isn't the same player, and now we have still have no effective striker and all the other top players want salary increases to match his.

Result - injured/finished striker on great big contract while doing nothing, and half the team now want a payrise. Meanwhile, our wage bill has increased massively and we're no better off on the pitch...
 
Scenario 4 - we give him a fat new contract now, he breaks down again and misses most of the season/isn't the same player, and now we have still have no effective striker and all the other top players want salary increases to match his.

Result - injured/finished striker on great big contract while doing nothing, and half the team now want a payrise. Meanwhile, our wage bill has increased massively and we're no better off on the pitch...
You’re both using whataboutery though.

If this was the case, nobody would ever sign anyone just in case
 
You’re both using whataboutery though.

If this was the case, nobody would ever sign anyone just in case
No, that's not 'whataboutery'. Whataboutery is a essentially a tu quoque fallacy, which is an appeal to hypocrisy.

There is no fallacy involved in adding to the list of potential outcomes, that a constantly-injured player may get injured again, and that a fat new contract might have to wait until he's actually set foot on a pitch again.

By the time plays for us again, he'll have been available for 14 games out of our last 60+. That's absolutely ridiculous. He was injured (hamstring) when we signed him, and missed about a dozen games with it (between Ross County and Sunderland) then he played almost every minute the following year, and then since the start of last season, 2 serious, non-contact injuries. He's also had surgery for the latest one. We need to protect ourselves.
 
Apparently this lad is going to be sold! Sure we were linked with a loan a year or so ago! Wonder if we could be back in for him.

 
Scenario 4 - we give him a fat new contract now, he breaks down again and misses most of the season/isn't the same player, and now we have still have no effective striker and all the other top players want salary increases to match his.

Result - injured/finished striker on great big contract while doing nothing, and half the team now want a payrise. Meanwhile, our wage bill has increased massively and we're no better off on the pitch...

Yep, ok let’s just keep him on his current contract. He also might come back and score some goals and improve the side. Doing nothing allows someone to sign him for nothing next summer because they are prepared to pay him a lot more than we are, in the meantime we have lost millions on the player. I accept the lad might not come back as he was, any player runs a risk of injury or further injury, if the medical staff are happy that he has full recovered I would be giving him the contract he is looking for and if does go somewhere else in the aummer at least we are properly compensated.
 
Apparently this lad is going to be sold! Sure we were linked with a loan a year or so ago! Wonder if we could be back in for him.


Was looking at him a few weeks back. Year left on his contract, no pathway at Brighton, wants to play ahead of next summers Euro’s. He’s good as well.
 
Yep, ok let’s just keep him on his current contract. He also might come back and score some goals and improve the side. Doing nothing allows someone to sign him for nothing next summer because they are prepared to pay him a lot more than we are, in the meantime we have lost millions on the player. I accept the lad might not come back as he was, any player runs a risk of injury or further injury, if the medical staff are happy that he has full recovered I would be giving him the contract he is looking for and if does go somewhere else in the aummer at least we are properly compensated.
Well for a start he can't negotiate with anyone, anywhere until January - and he'll be fit long before then, hopefully! If isn't, then its a dodged bullet.

Nobody is going to offer us much in this window for him. He's 27, played 13 games at Championship level, and has barely been on a football pitch for an entire, calendar year. And he's in the last year of his contract. And he's still injured.

The time to make demands, are when he's in a position to be useful.
 
It is pretty simple though really.

We knew we needed strikers ready to play in this league and have needed them for more than one transfer window.

Surely the priority, given our limited budget, would be to sort that issue first and then if there’s money left in the kitty add a few more foreign kids.
Well we did get two strikers in and by the sounds of it trying for a third.
 
Well we did get two strikers in and by the sounds of it trying for a third.

Neither of the two we got look anywhere near ready though. Even the manager thinks so !

I can’t believe anyone still backs the clubs stance on this issue.

If a Sunday morning pub team playing on the first game of the season had to take off their only striker less than an hour into the game because he looked out of his depth and there was no other options, the players in the changing room at full time would be rightly be asking what the hell those in charge of recruiting players had been doing all summer.

The fact it happened in a club playing in the second tier of professional football, supposedly with aspirations of promotion is beyond embarrassing.
 

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