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South Africa v England 2nd test - Newlands
- Thread starter Paddy O'Dors
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mackembhoy
Striker
He isn't though. If you heard him speak the other day he's pretty much playing into his 40s
Mainze
Striker
That’s was before he picked up another mid test injury.
The Hesford Diet
Striker
It's all so subjective, the all-rounders. I think Botham, Flintoff and Stokes all had that magical ability to turn a match completely on its head with either bat or ball. Their mere presence would adversely affect the opposition sometimes.
I feel very fortunate to have been able to see all three in action. In all my years playing club cricket I can remember just one ball bowled and one shot for 4 that I thought was class. These players did and do it as a matter of course, day in, day out.
I think Stokes has time on his side to outshine them all, but I will see him, Beefy and Freddie as the Holy Trinity of all-time, all-rounder greats.
I feel very fortunate to have been able to see all three in action. In all my years playing club cricket I can remember just one ball bowled and one shot for 4 that I thought was class. These players did and do it as a matter of course, day in, day out.
I think Stokes has time on his side to outshine them all, but I will see him, Beefy and Freddie as the Holy Trinity of all-time, all-rounder greats.
It's hard to compare Botham, Flintoff and Stokes. The numbers only tell you so much as all of them had the ability to turn games in a single moment. WIthout looking I'd assume Bothm has the best bowling average whereas Stokes probably has the best batting average
Safe to say we have been blessed with 3 world class all rounders
And more than a few duds who the selectors thought could be the new Botham/Flintoff
David Capel
Craig White
Mark Ealham
to name but a few
Quick Google Brings back the following:
Botham
Tests - 102
Runs - 5200
Hundreds - 14
Batting Average - 33.54
Wickets - 383
Bowling Average - 28.40
Flintoff
Tests - 79
Runs - 3845
Hundreds - 5
Batting Average - 31.77
Wickets - 226
Bowling Average - 32.78
Stokes*
Tests - 61
Runs - 3906
Hundreds - 8
Batting Average - 36.16
Wickets - 142
Bowling Average - 32.92
Not a lot to choose between them. Botham's bowling figures are way above the other 2. Stokes clearly the better batsman (especially when you take the last 2 years into account)
Be interesting to see where Stokes ends up in terms of numbers
Safe to say we have been blessed with 3 world class all rounders
And more than a few duds who the selectors thought could be the new Botham/Flintoff
David Capel
Craig White
Mark Ealham
to name but a few
Quick Google Brings back the following:
Botham
Tests - 102
Runs - 5200
Hundreds - 14
Batting Average - 33.54
Wickets - 383
Bowling Average - 28.40
Flintoff
Tests - 79
Runs - 3845
Hundreds - 5
Batting Average - 31.77
Wickets - 226
Bowling Average - 32.78
Stokes*
Tests - 61
Runs - 3906
Hundreds - 8
Batting Average - 36.16
Wickets - 142
Bowling Average - 32.92
Not a lot to choose between them. Botham's bowling figures are way above the other 2. Stokes clearly the better batsman (especially when you take the last 2 years into account)
Be interesting to see where Stokes ends up in terms of numbers
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Paddy O'Dors
Striker
I can remember when Derek Pringle was touted as the "new Ian Botham"
He was utter shite.
Agree.
However, you've got to feel a little bit sorry for him - not much to live up to, eh?
aye, I remember that.I also remember Gough's debut v NZ when he scored (what turned out to be his highest score of) 65 and everyone thought he was the new Botham
We could probably lost 20 or 30 "new Bothams"
It's funny. Fred's stats suggest he was nothing more than average, but he had some unbelievable tests. Probably a player of great moments rather than a great player
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Fuck, you’re a tough judge. Batting and bowling averages nearly the same is top class!
I also remember Gough's debut v NZ when he scored (what turned out to be his highest score of) 65 and everyone thought he was the new Botham
We could probably lost 20 or 30 "new Bothams"
It's funny. Fred's stats suggest he was nothing more than average, but he had some unbelievable tests. Probably a player of great moments rather than a great player
Stats don't tell the whole story, but averaging 31 with the bat and 32 with the ball isn't top class
It absolutely is. It’s the sign of a high class all rounder.
Kallis set the bar in terms of all rounders. I'm probably being harsh, but I'd expect a World Class all-rounder to excel in at least one discipline - sub 30 with the ball, or 40+ with the bat
Like I say, probably being harsh, I loved Freddie - named one of my cats after him but I think I loves Stokes even more
