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A lot of people were saying shut the fuck up
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It's a mine of f***ing drivel generallyyou should read twitter m8 it is a mine of information
Take that splinter out your arse
Who the f#%k are you anyway, judging by the fact you say "Mum" and not "Mam" I detect your not from the North East, one minute your sprouting what you apparently heard in Castle Eden next your quoting twatter. Suggest you go back to twatter and stay away from this message board, very surprised the mods haven't banned you yet.you should read twitter m8 it is a mine of information
Innoscent until proven guilty, until we find out otherwise, hes one of us and we look after our own. Do we just shun him until it goes to court like.
A lot of people were saying shut the fuck up
Excellent post.We should neither shun him nor back him. We should keep quiet until we know the facts.
He's one of us, yes, and I think he's one of our best players so I obviously want it to not be true.
At the same time, I'm aware that I have NONE of the facts, and so I think it's premature for me to be taking a side when my opinion of the situation is based solely on the fact that I think he's good at his job and it so happens that his job is to entertain me and others from the same area of the country as me.
If we use our limited "chant time" to encourage the players on the pitch instead it's more productive anyway, as they don't want to be thinking about their allegedly-a-sex-offender-teammate while they're trying to win a football game. (As someone else said earlier in the thread).
This isn't about loyalty.
Or rather it is, but prioritised loyalty. Assume for a minute that the current situation hasn't happened, and ask yourself: in general, are you really more loyal to:
a: Adam Johnson?
b: SAFC?
c: the good name of the town of Sunderland and the people of the area?
d: The British legal system, when it comes to sex offences?
e: A personal moral code that disagrees with the idea of famous 27 year-old men sleeping with 15 year-old girls?
Assuming you don't pick "A" as #1 in your list, does chanting his name when we don't yet know if he's innocent or guilty still genuinely fit with your feelings about the rest of the above list?
For me it keeps coming back to the family of the alleged victim, and the alleged victim herself. There's likely to be a certain amount of distress happening on their side, and if there is then I wouldn't want to be consciously contributing to that distress without having all the facts at my disposal.
Where the dickens you getting loyalty from it was our fans showing support for one of our players you idiot and why shouldn't they? He's been questioned and released without charge on bail, they've ransacked his house kept him for 12 hours yet still not got evidence to convince the CPS to charge him, they are the facts I sung his name when he scored against the Mags in December and until he is officially charged with something he's still got my support.We should neither shun him nor back him. We should keep quiet until we know the facts.
He's one of us, yes, and I think he's one of our best players so I obviously want it to not be true.
At the same time, I'm aware that I have NONE of the facts, and so I think it's premature for me to be taking a side when my opinion of the situation is based solely on the fact that I think he's good at his job and it so happens that his job is to entertain me and others from the same area of the country as me.
If we use our limited "chant time" to encourage the players on the pitch instead it's more productive anyway, as they don't want to be thinking about their allegedly-a-sex-offender-teammate while they're trying to win a football game. (As someone else said earlier in the thread).
This isn't about loyalty.
Or rather it is, but prioritised loyalty. Assume for a minute that the current situation hasn't happened, and ask yourself: in general, are you really more loyal to:
a: Adam Johnson?
b: SAFC?
c: the good name of the town of Sunderland and the people of the area?
d: The British legal system, when it comes to sex offences?
e: A personal moral code that disagrees with the idea of famous 27 year-old men sleeping with 15 year-old girls?
Assuming you don't pick "A" as #1 in your list, does chanting his name when we don't yet know if he's innocent or guilty still genuinely fit with your feelings about the rest of the above list?
For me it keeps coming back to the family of the alleged victim, and the alleged victim herself. There's likely to be a certain amount of distress happening on their side, and if there is then I wouldn't want to be consciously contributing to that distress without having all the facts at my disposal.
Where the dickens you getting loyalty from
it was our fans showing support for one of our players you idiot and why shouldn't they? [snip] I sung his name when he scored against the Mags in December and until he is officially charged with something he's still got my support.
We should neither shun him nor back him. We should keep quiet until we know the facts.
He's one of us, yes, and I think he's one of our best players so I obviously want it to not be true.
At the same time, I'm aware that I have NONE of the facts, and so I think it's premature for me to be taking a side when my opinion of the situation is based solely on the fact that I think he's good at his job and it so happens that his job is to entertain me and others from the same area of the country as me.
If we use our limited "chant time" to encourage the players on the pitch instead it's more productive anyway, as they don't want to be thinking about their allegedly-a-sex-offender-teammate while they're trying to win a football game. (As someone else said earlier in the thread).
This isn't about loyalty.
Or rather it is, but prioritised loyalty. Assume for a minute that the current situation hasn't happened, and ask yourself: in general, are you really more loyal to:
a: Adam Johnson?
b: SAFC?
c: the good name of the town of Sunderland and the people of the area?
d: The British legal system, when it comes to sex offences?
e: A personal moral code that disagrees with the idea of famous 27 year-old men sleeping with 15 year-old girls?
Assuming you don't pick "A" as #1 in your list, does chanting his name when we don't yet know if he's innocent or guilty still genuinely fit with your feelings about the rest of the above list?
For me it keeps coming back to the family of the alleged victim, and the alleged victim herself. There's likely to be a certain amount of distress happening on their side, and if there is then I wouldn't want to be consciously contributing to that distress without having all the facts at my disposal.
I have to disagree with that, although not the same, you wouldn't keep quiet if it was your brother/sister being falsely accused.
The poor lad could be chewed to bits about the whole thing and needs support. He may be guilty but nothings changed until the facts come out. Im not going to suddenly change my stance towards supporting a Sunderland player because he may be guilty.
It it were my brother or sister I'd give them personal support, but I wouldn't be walking the streets singing songs about how awesome they were without having heard either side of the story.
Who the fuck are you? Judging by the fact you say 'where the Dickens' and not 'what the fuck' you are not from the North East.Where the dickens you getting loyalty from it was our fans showing support for one of our players you idiot and why shouldn't they? He's been questioned and released without charge on bail, they've ransacked his house kept him for 12 hours yet still not got evidence to convince the CPS to charge him, they are the facts I sung his name when he scored against the Mags in December and until he is officially charged with something he's still got my support.
It it were my brother or sister I'd give them personal support, but I wouldn't be walking the streets singing songs about how awesome they were without having heard either side of the story.
Trying to bring a bit of civility to the messageboard that is allWho the fuck are you? Judging by the fact you say 'where the Dickens' and not 'what the fuck' you are not from the North East.![]()