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I was there and felt like the vast majority sang "there's only one Adma Johnson" loudly. Standing by him for now, so it seems. Innocent until proven guilty.
Embarrassed by certain chants about him from a very very small minority but overall it seems the message from the fans was clear, innocent until proven guilty and we will support him all the way until that changes.
 
was in with the hull lot, heard it loud and clear. Disapproval from those around me. not surprisingly they didnt mind their fans chants regarding situation
 
Take that splinter out your arse

I'm not sitting on the fence mate, I've made my position pretty clear in the hope that people would see things from a different perspective, none of this has anything to do with football.

I think it's wrong to support someone in a case like this based purely on which football team he plays for. It's also wrong to attack them in the press, social media when they haven't even been charged with anything let alone found guilty.

Can't be any clearer than that, this threads going downhill fast, I'm off to bed.
 
you should read twitter m8 it is a mine of information
Who the f#%k are you anyway, judging by the fact you say "Mum" and not "Mam" I detect your not from the North East, one minute your sprouting what you apparently heard in Castle Eden next your quoting twatter. Suggest you go back to twatter and stay away from this message board, very surprised the mods haven't banned you yet.
 
Innoscent until proven guilty, until we find out otherwise, hes one of us and we look after our own. Do we just shun him until it goes to court like.

We should neither shun him nor back him. We should keep quiet until we know the facts.

He's one of us, yes, and I think he's one of our best players so I obviously want it to not be true.

At the same time, I'm aware that I have NONE of the facts, and so I think it's premature for me to be taking a side when my opinion of the situation is based solely on the fact that I think he's good at his job and it so happens that his job is to entertain me and others from the same area of the country as me.

If we use our limited "chant time" to encourage the players on the pitch instead it's more productive anyway, as they don't want to be thinking about their allegedly-a-sex-offender-teammate while they're trying to win a football game. (As someone else said earlier in the thread).

This isn't about loyalty.

Or rather it is, but prioritised loyalty. Assume for a minute that the current situation hasn't happened, and ask yourself: in general, are you really more loyal to:

a: Adam Johnson?
b: SAFC?
c: the good name of the town of Sunderland and the people of the area?
d: The British legal system, when it comes to sex offences?
e: A personal moral code that disagrees with the idea of famous 27 year-old men sleeping with 15 year-old girls?

Assuming you don't pick "A" as #1 in your list, does chanting his name when we don't yet know if he's innocent or guilty still genuinely fit with your feelings about the rest of the above list?

For me it keeps coming back to the family of the alleged victim, and the alleged victim herself. There's likely to be a certain amount of distress happening on their side, and if there is then I wouldn't want to be consciously contributing to that distress without having all the facts at my disposal.
 
We should neither shun him nor back him. We should keep quiet until we know the facts.

He's one of us, yes, and I think he's one of our best players so I obviously want it to not be true.

At the same time, I'm aware that I have NONE of the facts, and so I think it's premature for me to be taking a side when my opinion of the situation is based solely on the fact that I think he's good at his job and it so happens that his job is to entertain me and others from the same area of the country as me.

If we use our limited "chant time" to encourage the players on the pitch instead it's more productive anyway, as they don't want to be thinking about their allegedly-a-sex-offender-teammate while they're trying to win a football game. (As someone else said earlier in the thread).

This isn't about loyalty.

Or rather it is, but prioritised loyalty. Assume for a minute that the current situation hasn't happened, and ask yourself: in general, are you really more loyal to:

a: Adam Johnson?
b: SAFC?
c: the good name of the town of Sunderland and the people of the area?
d: The British legal system, when it comes to sex offences?
e: A personal moral code that disagrees with the idea of famous 27 year-old men sleeping with 15 year-old girls?

Assuming you don't pick "A" as #1 in your list, does chanting his name when we don't yet know if he's innocent or guilty still genuinely fit with your feelings about the rest of the above list?

For me it keeps coming back to the family of the alleged victim, and the alleged victim herself. There's likely to be a certain amount of distress happening on their side, and if there is then I wouldn't want to be consciously contributing to that distress without having all the facts at my disposal.
Excellent post.
 
We should neither shun him nor back him. We should keep quiet until we know the facts.

He's one of us, yes, and I think he's one of our best players so I obviously want it to not be true.

At the same time, I'm aware that I have NONE of the facts, and so I think it's premature for me to be taking a side when my opinion of the situation is based solely on the fact that I think he's good at his job and it so happens that his job is to entertain me and others from the same area of the country as me.

If we use our limited "chant time" to encourage the players on the pitch instead it's more productive anyway, as they don't want to be thinking about their allegedly-a-sex-offender-teammate while they're trying to win a football game. (As someone else said earlier in the thread).

This isn't about loyalty.

Or rather it is, but prioritised loyalty. Assume for a minute that the current situation hasn't happened, and ask yourself: in general, are you really more loyal to:

a: Adam Johnson?
b: SAFC?
c: the good name of the town of Sunderland and the people of the area?
d: The British legal system, when it comes to sex offences?
e: A personal moral code that disagrees with the idea of famous 27 year-old men sleeping with 15 year-old girls?

Assuming you don't pick "A" as #1 in your list, does chanting his name when we don't yet know if he's innocent or guilty still genuinely fit with your feelings about the rest of the above list?

For me it keeps coming back to the family of the alleged victim, and the alleged victim herself. There's likely to be a certain amount of distress happening on their side, and if there is then I wouldn't want to be consciously contributing to that distress without having all the facts at my disposal.
Where the dickens you getting loyalty from it was our fans showing support for one of our players you idiot and why shouldn't they? He's been questioned and released without charge on bail, they've ransacked his house kept him for 12 hours yet still not got evidence to convince the CPS to charge him, they are the facts I sung his name when he scored against the Mags in December and until he is officially charged with something he's still got my support.
 
We should neither shun him nor back him. We should keep quiet until we know the facts.

He's one of us, yes, and I think he's one of our best players so I obviously want it to not be true.

At the same time, I'm aware that I have NONE of the facts, and so I think it's premature for me to be taking a side when my opinion of the situation is based solely on the fact that I think he's good at his job and it so happens that his job is to entertain me and others from the same area of the country as me.

If we use our limited "chant time" to encourage the players on the pitch instead it's more productive anyway, as they don't want to be thinking about their allegedly-a-sex-offender-teammate while they're trying to win a football game. (As someone else said earlier in the thread).

This isn't about loyalty.

Or rather it is, but prioritised loyalty. Assume for a minute that the current situation hasn't happened, and ask yourself: in general, are you really more loyal to:

a: Adam Johnson?
b: SAFC?
c: the good name of the town of Sunderland and the people of the area?
d: The British legal system, when it comes to sex offences?
e: A personal moral code that disagrees with the idea of famous 27 year-old men sleeping with 15 year-old girls?

Assuming you don't pick "A" as #1 in your list, does chanting his name when we don't yet know if he's innocent or guilty still genuinely fit with your feelings about the rest of the above list?

For me it keeps coming back to the family of the alleged victim, and the alleged victim herself. There's likely to be a certain amount of distress happening on their side, and if there is then I wouldn't want to be consciously contributing to that distress without having all the facts at my disposal.

I have to disagree with that, although not the same, you wouldn't keep quiet if it was your brother/sister being falsely accused.

The poor lad could be chewed to bits about the whole thing and needs support. He may be guilty but nothings changed until the facts come out. Im not going to suddenly change my stance towards supporting a Sunderland player because he may be guilty.
 
I have to disagree with that, although not the same, you wouldn't keep quiet if it was your brother/sister being falsely accused.

The poor lad could be chewed to bits about the whole thing and needs support. He may be guilty but nothings changed until the facts come out. Im not going to suddenly change my stance towards supporting a Sunderland player because he may be guilty.

It it were my brother or sister I'd give them personal support, but I wouldn't be walking the streets singing songs about how awesome they were without having heard either side of the story.
 
It it were my brother or sister I'd give them personal support, but I wouldn't be walking the streets singing songs about how awesome they were without having heard either side of the story.

So if nothing has been reported, then why change attitudes?

You cant live life on what might happen, you could be an ex drug dealer, so maybe I shouldn't continue this debate etc etc etc.
 
Where the dickens you getting loyalty from it was our fans showing support for one of our players you idiot and why shouldn't they? He's been questioned and released without charge on bail, they've ransacked his house kept him for 12 hours yet still not got evidence to convince the CPS to charge him, they are the facts I sung his name when he scored against the Mags in December and until he is officially charged with something he's still got my support.
Who the fuck are you? Judging by the fact you say 'where the Dickens' and not 'what the fuck' you are not from the North East. :)
 
It it were my brother or sister I'd give them personal support, but I wouldn't be walking the streets singing songs about how awesome they were without having heard either side of the story.

We all know that football fans sing all sorts of stuff, and some of it can be pretty offensive, and often it'll be gallows humour. I wouldn't be singing anything about him personally. Not that I really care if fans do, it's their choice. But it's really quite pointless at this stage. It's not really up to us to judge the situation when we know so little. 'Supporting' or 'condemning' serves no real purpose, he has simply been arrested on suspicion of something. Let the police (or whoever else) deal with it. In the meantime, we should just get on with our lives. Whether you sing his name or not, it won't make a damn bit of difference to anything.
 
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